we can get into that economic data, but it would be best to look at it after 4 to 5 years

zumas first 3 didnt look so bad either

If you cant trust a president that lies would that mean you would never trust any president.... Since they all lie?

i dont trust any president

or politician

would you agree that Zuma's corruption was on another level to Mbeki's corruption?

yet they were both corrupt

your argument is like saying, well they are all corrupt so we can just except the ridiculous turbo level corruption then

corruption is like a circle, whether it is big or small, it is still 360 degrees...

accept not except

No for sure, corrupt is corrupt and lies are lies.

Zuma's first few years were actually very unstable.

@Jerm please show the numbers on the right

it was just 2009

the rest were fairly stable

The massive dip shows instability. After that was stable, yes.

between 2.3 and 3.5 most of the way

ag come on... you cant say massive and then remove figures

Between 2009 and 2011 were unstable for the SA economy.

Therefore, his first few years were not "didnt look so bad either".

At the time, they were horrid.

Yeah Stability, but no growth

is anyone going to expand on context

or are you just going to pretend that that was a direct and immediate result of zumas election?

there is no point in discussing if you are going to actively ignore facts because they dont support your position

you dont have to guess

there is data

Well Zumas presidency started on the axing of Mbeki, so of course there would be some turmoil

which I know you love

why do choose to ignore this data?

China, same period as SA's massive dip.

to drift from this.....

This is the problem, with world politics at the moment... Being unable to concede that Trumps crazy levels of dishonesty, could be a risk to business is a good example of identity politics.

if we concede one point we feel we have to concede them all

economic policies are too left leaning at the moment, some weird SJW stuff going on in the world, but this planting a flag in the ground and defending everything is the real danger

the center is dead

he did a lot to kill it, but 2 years is like a fart in the wind

It isn't. It's 2 years.

2 years is more than 0 years.

If it isn't important, then what number would you like to start at?

4 years?

8 years?