Message from @Jerm
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free market can result in some unintended consequences
in this case a situation where free speech is regulated by corporations
dont get me wrong, still our best system by miles
My problem is that you cannot regulate "Bias", because we all have them, you like green I like blue, who decides which is right? If Facebook is left leaning, we cannot control that and we shouldn't be regulating them "to not be left leaning" what we should have is an honest mission from Facebook, describing their values and being open about it. If that is the case, people like Alex Jones knows the platform is not for them. Facebook should NOT be able to come after years of you being on the platform and say, sorry, we have changed and you are no longer welcome here.
Facebook has every right to censor him. It's not his platform.
so you are okay with censorship if it is corporate sponsored?
I think it's absurd to censor Alex Jones because it makes him more famous.
Well, a private company should be able to do what it likes, in that sense.
I don't like it.
But it is what it is.
this is one of those grey areas
a supremely successful company, that becomes a vital part of freedom of expression should not be bound by their own terms of service... should be bound by consitutional definitions of free speech
it is kind of anti free market
but it is pro free speech
grey area
and there are tons of these... but it seems political discourse is more about winning an argument than exploring a solution
Not every private company is "bad" why punish all with regulations that can cripple especially the small business.
My problem with the Alex Jones issue is that all these platform colluded to get him out, I have no problem with him being banned though, but the fact that it was some secret agreement between all these players who frankly should not be concerned about what other platforms are doing.
Okay, so then at what point does Facebook lose its policy right?
@Gonzo no company is good or bad... it is a machine. The market can attach a value to morality and in that sense the market is "good" or "Bad" .
But people are generally dense, that is why we dont write a constitution by referendum
@Roovdwalt That's exactly it. Mark is known to be a leftie and Obama buddy. He doesn't like anything "right wing". Google is in a similar position to him. They even fired a dude who said that women and men are different.
@Jerm Not saying I have the answer... but it is something I have been wrestling with, because I do not think it is simple
It IS simple. The government has made it complicated.
and I feel certain corporations are starting to have power beyond manufacturing and supplying goods. They are shaping society, and that is a problem
The moment a company is in bed with the state, you no longer have capitalism / free market.
@Tom_Servo I agree that they are shaping society. At the end of the day that doesnt matter, because we all as individuals have a choice to be on that platform or not. There are alternatives (Maybe not popular) but at the end of the day we have a choice to be on or even contribute to these platforms
What's wrong with a company shaping society?
@Roovdwalt Jones has been banned off all platforms now.. What options does he have?
Again he is a cuckoo nutcase and I disagree with him on literally every single thing he says... but if he has not broken the law (not terms of service), then why should he be deplatformed
If people don't like it, then they can go elsewhere.
Gab?
didnt they have their serverrs shut down by microsoft
in the wake of this
if they host jones
They are up again because they went to someone that would help them... free market
I think you might feel differently if you were deplatformed by FB, twitter etc...
and again, I am not saying free market sucks... just saying that some things are complicated
Like I said, keep things simple.
1. Is the company operating freely?
2. What state restrictions apply to the company?
3. Is competition hindrered?
There is always an alternative in my opinion.