or use plastic that doesnt last hundreds of years?

or make machines that remove plastic from oceans?

wait, they exist

but not very known and almost no funding

Yeah.

who is pressuring india, china and indonesia to actually have environmental laws?

trump seems to be the only one putting pressure on china at all

not this kind, but its a start i guess

@Dragun9500 Check "Sulapac" for plastic replacement

pretty much what could be one solution

it wont solve all

but its a start

I personally want to see governments investing in clean energy. Wind/solar/wave/nuclear. We need to transition our countries and make them not so dependant on fossil fuels.

and this needs to be pushed instead of bullshit carbon tax

try talking to far lefties about nuclear

😂

If you are going to start somewhere, then start with Carbo Capture tech that the US is already using and give it to china and India

Wind and solar arent carbon neutral

I actually find more resistance from conservatives on nuclear.

Actually liberals are more anti nuclear

in my experience lots of people dont know shit about nuclear but leftists are more scared

The Green New deal is a great example

Well carbon capture is only neutral. It will never be a net positive.

in germany, *everyone* in the establishment is against nuclear, both left and right

But I agree it is needed.

It stops the carbon ffrom entering the atmosphere

wind is kinda shit

water power is amazing, but regional

A civil debate in <#257355998065459200> ?

solar.. meh, overrated

This is a clear violation of this channel!

its not awful but not great either

Shattered and I always carry on civil debates

Pffft I call bull shit on that.

But we also agree on a lot

we watch similar content but have different attitudes

Last time we tried to talk you two wouldn't stop calling me a Commie fo have an actual discussion.

I never called you a commie

calling someone whos far left a commie isnt wrong

😛

anyways