subjective is not relevant

no one is arguing the existence of subjective morals

I never said you can never have any basis to criticize others

I am arguing that they exist

@The Big Oof Would you say the Christian view on Subjective vs Objective is justified

Explain it for me

There is an objective right and wrong. God tells us not do to certain things, and such things are bad.

Well I don't believe in God

so I would disagree

Would you say that a creator of the universe has the authority to decide what is truly right and wrong

If the creator exists?

yes

I'm actually not sure

is this creator all knowing

yes

Then yes

Just wanted to know

Humans are limited in their understanding

That is what makes morality subjective

An omniscient presence would immediately make it objective

but u don't believe in one hence why u don't believe objective morality exists

@FreshWholeMilk @ImATomato

Anyways, now that I was able to explain my position, there is my reasoning above

so u dwell in your limited understanding

I try to expand my understanding

But it will never be enough

That is what my thought process is

It's not

and this is what pissed me off earlier

which is why debates involving religious objectivity vs atheist subjectivity will always result in a stalemate

My thought process isn't

"We view morality differently so you have no basis to criticize others"

that's horseshit

unless the religious becomes atheist or the atheist converys

yea, I know not all subjective thinkers are "well, thats just your opinion maaaaaaaaan"

they arent ALL hippie retards

I don't argue against Christianity from a position of moral authority

I don't even argue against Christianity that often, I can't recall a time I have here or in other servers

but I'm a "fedora tipper"

they tend to become standstills

The main issue I have are these retarded standards that nobody can realistically meet

in these types of arguments