Message from @The Big Oof

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2019-01-21 06:50:16 UTC  

Someone let me know if and how I am wrong, because this seemed contentious earlier

2019-01-21 07:11:09 UTC  

"if God told you to molest a child, would you do it?"

2019-01-21 07:11:17 UTC  

is about as nonsensical as this question

2019-01-21 07:13:36 UTC  

This was the response I should have given earlier

2019-01-21 07:17:38 UTC  

it's also frivolous for another reason, you would expect it to be wrong when your opponents gives a "yes" answer, but, when the same question is asked towards you, with God giving these instructions (to rape another tribe), you yourself would say yes (obviously God wouldn't do that, we're playing in the realm of this retarded hypothetical)

2019-01-21 07:17:52 UTC  

So then, how does this reflect poorly on me?

2019-01-21 07:21:39 UTC  

It's also the idea of 1-0 absolutes, obviously there are greater virtues that outweight others, disobeying one to follow another isn't a good this, it's a less bad thing.

2019-01-21 07:21:44 UTC  

it's wrong when you think that I would do it, but not for you?

2019-01-21 07:22:13 UTC  

This question was just dunb

2019-01-21 07:22:35 UTC  

I'm thinking through ways it could be considered a valid question and there are none

2019-01-21 07:23:26 UTC  

If God told him to commit a cardinal sin he would do it, because piety is a higher virtue than being unsinful

2019-01-21 07:23:37 UTC  

Yeah

2019-01-21 07:24:02 UTC  

This hypothetical is meant to strip the focus down to one virtue

2019-01-21 07:24:09 UTC  

or to the underlying one

2019-01-21 07:27:13 UTC  

There's so many things wrong with it

2019-01-21 07:27:18 UTC  

I could go on all night

2019-01-21 07:28:52 UTC  

Do so

2019-01-21 07:30:19 UTC  

The only possible situation this could arise in is in a failed tribe

2019-01-21 07:30:35 UTC  

which is obvious

2019-01-21 07:30:40 UTC  

a situation that is not only uncommon (because the only "way to survive is rape")

2019-01-21 07:31:21 UTC  

but it's pretty common to see your objective morality go right out the fucking window when you realize things are going to end

2019-01-21 07:32:15 UTC  

A tribe with some form of objective morality wouldn't hold up well either in this scenario

2019-01-21 07:32:50 UTC  

Anyways, that last point is a lot less hard hitting than the others

2019-01-21 07:34:53 UTC  

The other criticisms I have would not be my go-to ones

2019-01-21 07:37:32 UTC  

This would be my main one, to be quite honest

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508381442942959616/536811572861861909/unknown.png

2019-01-21 07:38:24 UTC  

the answer would have to be "yes" or "God wouldn't do that" (which is the same as me saying "This would never happen")

2019-01-21 07:39:14 UTC  

Argue with him claiming that BECAUSE God wouldn't do that he has a moral stand now, just to cover it all

2019-01-21 07:40:05 UTC  

even if he claims God wouldn't do that, what's the difference between that claim and my claim of "This is an unrealistic scenario"?

2019-01-21 07:40:23 UTC  

Because with God it's a definitive

2019-01-21 07:41:13 UTC  

Pretty sure your only option to survive is going to definitively not be to rape the nearest tribe....

2019-01-21 07:41:26 UTC  

you'd have to be in an extremely isolated area

2019-01-21 07:41:52 UTC  

there'd have to be some reason you have a shortage of women

2019-01-21 07:42:01 UTC  

Food being the most likely cause

2019-01-21 07:42:08 UTC  

At that point, a lack of women isn't your real problem

2019-01-21 07:42:15 UTC  

Chemicals in the water the turn the womb gay

2019-01-21 07:42:19 UTC  

lol

2019-01-21 07:42:28 UTC  

anyway

2019-01-21 07:42:40 UTC  

it can be easily reasoned his situation is not possible

2019-01-21 07:43:05 UTC  

Don't attack that one scenario, the thing about unrealistic scenarios is that they can be put above each other ad infinitum until they're of relevant size

2019-01-21 07:43:30 UTC  

The best response is just to not respond to it at all

2019-01-21 07:43:40 UTC  

which is what I did