the capitalist still needs to be a socialist man and the gov't can't lean too much on the man

a capitalist cannot be a socialist; nor vice versa. I'm not sure I follow what you are saying?

I'm explaining an ideal, that's very implausible

anyway, he can't only look how to satisfy his bottom line but also to preserve the culture around him.
work has to be hard as well. otherwise people will get lazy

but this is nonsensical. the capitalists will wield the power in society, so long as capitalism is preserved. in no way will the nation as a whole have a say in how the resources are spent. this is in the final analysis only possible under socialist productive relations

he can't be preserved. he needs to wield that power for the good of the nation, sometimes maybe even against himself, he has to be a moral person and not a calculating one.

except that the people that capitalism selects are, really by necessity, the people most willing to be ruthless in business....after all, under capitalist selection, the moral ones do not, in fact, raise to the top. the altruists, those looking for the good of their nation - but rather, those who seek to benefit and advance their own egoist interest

because if the state preserves the capitalist then its capitalism

and further, so long as capitalism remains the primary mode of production, the state itself will be dependent upon the capitalist

after all,

it is the capitalist who provides service, owns infrastructure and distributes goods

the capitalist is the root of the corruption that takes hold in nations

and socialism is the cure

to an extent

a poison to cure a poison

embrace the third position

reject both

heh, no system is perfect, this much is true. but socialism beyond a shadow of a doubt serves a nation the best. its somewhat remarkable to me that so many nationalists are right-wingers, when left-nationalism would serve the nation they *claim* to love so much better

internationalism is obviously superior, but this has no bearing on the mistake that many nationalists do

tbh international capitalism can go fuck itself

China along with it as well

they are probably the best example of what ruthless capitalism can be like

ironically a communist nation

oh China is not communist in the slightest, and I literally wish them to crash and burn to ashes. I harbour nothing but contempt for that nation

and yes, agreed, international capitalism can indeed go fuck itself

the problem with capitalism, of course, is that it *must become international* because it is inherent to the laws governing the growth and evolution of capitalism that it must expand

of course, nation is a limited playground,

so eventually capitalism - to avoid collapse - must expand beyond the nation

and this is why capitalism never stays national

why it always goes global

the plan is to stop it before it does, and tell them NO, nooo... NO respect the worker

in the international trade, the nation sets the terms

but is this possible? i think that it will be very difficult to stop capitalism from expanding because to stop it from expanding means to stifle its growth rate. if you stifle the growth of capitalism - and capitalism is a system *fundamentally predicated upon ad infinitum growth* - the system comes apart

not capitalists

limit the growth

seems like a brainlet solution

I mean tbh I'd see Juche work better for nationalists than capitalism but idk

expansion seems like a good solution tho

you mean expand the purview of the nation, the state, so that capitalism would have more domestic living space? that would imply war, if you mean expansion in the state sense

any of the two is alright

I believe that the alt-right has a "marketist" perspective