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When can we kill Jews

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@Bogatyr Bogumir Welcome!

Not ebin

I will debate anyone here on nationalism and why it's misguided eventhough the motive is correct and should be extended to the common philosophy of sophistry and jingoism

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oh someone responded

thought this was a dead server

okay

Nationalism is bourgeousie and is quasi-post-enlightenment and modernist and is not in congruence with patriotism and since history nationalism has not existed because a society has always consisted of a fatherland, ethnos, nation, sophia and community

a nation-state is consisted of wealth and a fabrication of nation

gonna go take a piss right quick, hope you respond

Sorry, Fatherland, Ethnos, Nation, Sophia, Rex and Community

DRUMPF IS FINISHED

The only reason the "nation-state" didn't exist before the post-enlightenment was that society hadn't modernized at a level to allow a civic identity to even develop beyond the regional level.

The national identity was always tied into the monarch or religion.

The latter of which was infinitely more important than national identity before the 19th century, even between countries like England and France that already had a proto-national identity.

And it's silly to suggest that nationalism didn't exist before that.

For example Rome, that did have a civic identity (although it didn't extend much outside of Italy) or Greek city-states which had their own localized identities and considered themselves as diverse as early modern Europe.

@aymem Your move virgin

Okay my move, incel

@εïз irma εïз religion is more important bc it's conceptual creative origin rather than mere static measure

@aymem It's a new server, so it's a little slow at times, but in my opinion it's not dead

Where did river go?

messages in general

for today

Religion can be as important as national identity depending on the respective country, but before modern informational technology (19th century) language was not standardized and this was almost impossible.

Duh to develop religious conversation

It was necessary

I don't think resorgimento nationalism was religious in nature.

>The only reason the "nation-state" didn't exist before the post-enlightenment was that society hadn't modernized at a level to allow a civic identity to even develop beyond the regional level.

First you're going to need to define modernisation and by what you mean.

And yes I would agree that society wasn't able to reach the level to allow "civic" (define this) identity to develop beyond small regional lines, but I don't think this is an argument against what i'm saying moreso of an explanation of something which is true and natural