that's pretty much it

Democracy should be understood as a vehicle facilitating human life, not as something that is good by default. Something that should be by default defended as an institution, but never uncritically so.

btw, can i ask, would you agree that Semitic is only a linguistic term? And "semitic in appearance" is not a correct way of identifying sandnignogs?

Do we have democracy today? Yeah, *I guess* strictly speaking we do. Is it a good democracy? No, it isn't. So while I still defend democracy on a principle, I must still remain critical of the flaws of the existing system of it.

i've had an argument with this pseudo smug cunt for 3 days now because he'd rather argue semantics than anything of value and it's pissing me off how hard headed he is when already 5 people (one a fucking persian) disagrees with him

Democracy is big gay

maintaining democracy just because, is gay

Persians are Indo-European so obviously not Semitic

but when we call Arabic people, semitic, it's based on linguistics

would you agree?

It’s just a cloak for the oligarchs to rule from behind the scenes while making the plebs think they’re free

North Africans are semites, since they speak a semitic language

as are Jews

I do maintain the values of democracy, republicanism and constitutionalism and see them valuable since they are *prerequisites* for a worthwhile society but you can't in actual fact have a society made out of just those three, or just from whatever form of those three. Some forms are superior to others, and further as long as capitalism and bourgeois individualism exists you'll never have meaningful forms of those implemented in society.

@FreshWholeMilk the dark side of democracy is mob rule, i'd say this is mob rule to an extent, but.... idk, this is a functioning democracy, we're just now seeing the ramifications of such a system

also yes i'm taking the plato route

lul

>I do maintain the values of democracy, republicanism and constitutionalism

this is gay

Yes, hence why you always need constitutions to go along with democracy. Otherwise you will have mob rule, and it will not come together to form a coherent system.

mkay

i just don't like democracy tbh

Many people think that, stemming from their thinking that they're jaded about democracy, until they realise they've never really had it to begin with.

When democracy is directly realised in the worker council of a worker-cooperative, it becomes inherently organic activity, vibrant and dynamic aspect of life at the productive scene. At that point it stops to be the kind of bourgeois sham that its commonly known for today.

nah fam, I just think democracy makes people hedonistic, overwhelmingly individualistic, selfish, and only concerned with superficial things and I don't think a misinformed populace that is easily swayed by a talking mouth piece on the TV is a good system to have.

this isn't to say i'm against democracy as a whole

I just don't think democracy is as efffective as other sytems

>When democracy is directly realised in the worker council of a worker-cooperative,

i am for this

such as voting in syndicates, i'm for this

....so you are literally for the truest, most direct form of democracy

😄

dude

wtfrick!?

if you are for workplace democracy, you are very pro-democracy. I can't think of a more direct setting to realise collective will than the workplace

also democratic centralism is literally the cure to the cancers of bourgeois democracy

it makes sense for democracy to be enacted in syndicates and etc, i'm pro-democracy in this regard i guess

brought to you by Soviet Gang

democratic centralism being the notion that, once a decision has been reached in the central committee or whatever organ of Soviet political life, it will be committed to and no further debate on the subject is being had

democracy exists and is valued, but will not be undermined by pointless political theatrics

i know what you're saying, but most people would call it dictatorial

except it *literally isn't* 😄

i know they do that though