Tribal association declined greatly once nation-states developed. You do not really have any tribal association in Finland, for example. Once the nations merge, same will happen to nations - they will become much like counties are today

but it's SOCIALLY COHESIVE because it's HOMOGENOUS
which is the point

Its not

yeah it is lol

Finland in 1918 had huge civil war, one of the most brutal in Europe, brother killed brother and father killed son

I lost the topic was afk

Homogenous is Subjective.. depends on what frame you're using..

yes

is Israel Homogenous?

not really

but it's a Nation State

it is a jewish state, for jewish people

NO

dude, have you ever seen a reformist and orthodox jews together?

Yeah but what kind of Jewish People?

they can't fucking stand each other

because thats religious

so race doesn't unify them then

argument won

they still have common group interests

which they push

Reformist vs Talmudic Jews?
Ashkenazim vs Sephardim

Israeli Communist Party doesn't share "group interest" with Likud

there is diversity within a group

always

yes

ideological sure

doesn't mean i want to be flooded with somalis

there are two poles - the species and the individual. Between these two *irreducible points,* number of aggregations and distributions of belief, behaviour and such emerge.

Nation is not foundational

race is not foundational

but species and individual are

those, then, deserve to be the foundations for social politics

wew the pilpuling of pure ideology is strong in this one

do you have argument? no? didn't think so

yeah i do. i'm thinking

ok

take your time

The difference between a black guy and a white guy is the same as the difference between someone who has green eyes and someone who has brown ?

a nation is made up of biologically similar peoples,
race is biological
to equate a somali and a european is ridiculous, they are completely different
its ridiculous to say that the interests of the somali and the european are the same
both have different needs, different practices of doing things
do you really think that a nation is more strengthened if a foreign element which is against the values etc which resides in the host country?

I share very little in common with a Finnish national socialist, fascist or anarcho-capitalist. I share, however, probably quite a bit in common with a Somali person who seeks communism is this not true? And what different needs does a Somali person have from me? Does he not eat, does he not sleep, does he not need to form a family, gain offspring? Does he lack need for humour, love, friendship? What is the *foundational distinction* between a Somali communist and myself, especially if both converse in English?

Not much.

Values, furthermore, change radically. The values in Kingdom of Prussia in 1800s don't quite coincide with the values in City of Berlin in 2015, or do they? Are "values" too immutable?