Message from @Grimm0175

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2019-01-03 04:31:25 UTC  

Pretty stellar

2019-01-03 04:32:02 UTC  

unlike capitalism, of course, that fucked over your country so hardcore its spiralling out of control. Or do you think that the US-Saudi oil war on Russia and Iran had no impact on your economy? that it collapse because of "muh socialism"? how old are you? probably not out of your teens from the sound of it

2019-01-03 04:32:03 UTC  

2019-01-03 04:32:20 UTC  

fuck iran

2019-01-03 04:32:22 UTC  

seriously

2019-01-03 04:32:28 UTC  

moral questions aside,

2019-01-03 04:32:35 UTC  

that's the genesis of Venezuela's plight

2019-01-03 04:32:37 UTC  

the oil war

2019-01-03 04:32:46 UTC  

the genesis of the world’s plight is iran

2019-01-03 04:32:53 UTC  

we must destroy theocratic iran

2019-01-03 04:32:58 UTC  

when up to 60% of the public revenues vanish over a very short time period, any state becomes a failed state and collapses

2019-01-03 04:33:09 UTC  

in fact lets do that to US

2019-01-03 04:33:13 UTC  

lets see how it copes

2019-01-03 04:33:18 UTC  

**plot twist:** *not very well*

2019-01-03 04:33:29 UTC  

KEEP TELLING

2019-01-03 04:33:30 UTC  

YOU ARE KILLING ME

2019-01-03 04:33:33 UTC  

CHÁVEZ LEGACY

2019-01-03 04:33:36 UTC  

YOU ARE A FUCKING CHAVISTA

2019-01-03 04:33:54 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/530242377969827851/dank_emoji_laugh.png

2019-01-03 04:34:02 UTC  

I support Chavism, and the goals of the bolivarian revolution obviously. But I'm not a "Chavista", its a framework for Venezuela but obviously not for me.

2019-01-03 04:34:04 UTC  

*laughs in Venezuelan*

2019-01-03 04:34:12 UTC  

tell me what is the Chávez Legacy?

2019-01-03 04:34:23 UTC  

Making the Venezuelans Stupidier than ever

2019-01-03 04:34:28 UTC  

make the SLUMS Bigger?

2019-01-03 04:34:29 UTC  

2019-01-03 04:34:34 UTC  

Destroy the Private property?

2019-01-03 04:34:41 UTC  

Expropiating multiple companies?

2019-01-03 04:34:54 UTC  

and in the process giving free oil to caribbean countries and CUBA?

2019-01-03 04:35:05 UTC  

for real? that's the Legacy you are telling me about?

2019-01-03 04:35:29 UTC  

2019-01-03 04:35:32 UTC  

and what's next? a COMMUNIST FINNISH GUY IS GOING TO TEACH THIS VENEZUELAN DUDE, SOME HISTORY OF VENEZUELA?

2019-01-03 04:35:36 UTC  

AHHAHAHAHAHHHAAHHAAHHAAHHA

2019-01-03 04:36:20 UTC  

I even know Mostly or nearly the most part of the History of my country so if you want to give me a History lesson of my OWN COUNTRY? NO THANKS I ALREADY READ IT

2019-01-03 04:37:03 UTC  

also in the 2 Coup d'etats Chávez organized in 1992, he killed between 100-300 Civilians by cross fire

2019-01-03 04:37:38 UTC  

Well, the legacy of Chavez can be broken down to a number of different aspects. First, there are the goals; roughly speaking these can be summarised in the "Communal State" concept which Chavez outlined as the end point of the "Bolivarian process". Chavez (and esp. his successor) have been incredibly vague about this process and what exactly it entails, but there are a number of recurring themes:

a) democratic institutions strengthened via increased importance of the communal councils
b) popular initiative strengthened via the increased prevalence of worker-cooperative economics
c) the gradual realisation of "socialism in the 21st century" via these two methods which will converge and result in the "Communal State"

And for all their current troubles, the PSUV was making progress. Inflation rates were at historic lows, poverty came down very very hard, HDI went up, education levels went up, life expectancy went up and GDP went up rather nicely. Numerous cooperatives were launched, communal organisations get increased authority and in general the trend was up.

Then came the 2010s and, with it, the age of hardship.

2019-01-03 04:38:34 UTC  

for real?

2019-01-03 04:38:36 UTC  

really

2019-01-03 04:38:44 UTC  

yes this is what data would let us surmise

2019-01-03 04:39:00 UTC  

you are telling me about Chávez Period when i know what he even did before politics?

2019-01-03 04:39:02 UTC  

for real?

2019-01-03 04:39:04 UTC  

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