@Nerthulas LMAO case in point, romans thought homo sex was akin to extravagance, excess, degeneration and decline

some did, but they still did it lmao

you didn't think this through bro

brah

him calling it extravagant

in victorian england there were prostitutes

means there was something to call extravagant

I have zero doubt that there were anti-gay people

@blanc you mean sex worker. didnt we just have womens day?

it was only widely accepted, if at all, in the upper classes during the decline

Victorian England was the pinnacle of Western culture

It's been downhill since then

(((upper classes)))

oh also extravagance goes against basic Roman virtues

it wasnt a conpliment

I didn't say it was

one author we've seen didn't like that some people were overpaying for slave boys

in a certain period

as to whether it was more or less common in places other than the aristocracy

that's a difficult question

I have zero doubt that there were pedophile millionaires and elites

hehe copied your text

we have reports from the military

I suspect I'd be more enthusiastic about economic production if I could literally buy women at a market

I think we place too much stock in what academia says about this. It is usually the opposite in critical arguments like this.

we don't have to look at academia we can just look at what they themselves said

ahh imagine people in year 3000 discussing how what weinstein and epstein did was acceptable cause these always got away with it

Ask yourself. If any historian or archeologist found empirical evidence to the contrary, what do you think would happen to them?

in some random forum of autists

like acceptable in this here time 😎

I think they would write a book about it probably

@Nerthulas how do we know it was them who said it?

maybe among pedophiliac elites

@blanc Roman Emperors kept male slaves

and they buy sissies at a premium

and maybe Bill Clinton himself

@Nerthulas Every physical artifact we have says nothing about it. Parchment could be a forgery

@Nerthulas you gotta go consuls or the five good emperors bro, otherwise their histories are doubtful and tainted

senators hated the new imperial system

ok so, idk to what extent original manuscripts exist - I know there are some preserved papyrus scrolls which people use to corroborate other reports - I know that there is extensive transmission from multiple sources including western monks, the byzantine libraries, and arab copies

so