Message from @Unironic Ohio Supremecist

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2020-03-12 16:28:27 UTC  
2020-03-12 17:28:27 UTC  

Since I get asked a lot...
https://youtu.be/wW0SOFHPRIM

2020-03-12 18:27:06 UTC  

just that beginning reminds me so much of the classic "that wasn't real communism"

2020-03-12 18:33:44 UTC  

<:blondeDisgust:622971427410149386> that vid is implying that fascism can somehow not have anti-semitism

2020-03-12 18:36:58 UTC  

facism follows the state, nazis follow the leader, the leader leads the state... oh wow what a difference

2020-03-12 19:40:40 UTC  

Lol. That's what you got from that?

2020-03-12 19:41:58 UTC  

The biggest difference (other than the fact that black shirts like Noyer cuck on the Hoaxacaust) is embodied in the quotes he read.

2020-03-12 19:43:42 UTC  

there are differences, but telling me that facism is that vapid and just basically a framework that talks about how the state can shape culture, that reminds me too much of the communist rethoric that we are all blank slates and the party (or in this case the state) is the writer

2020-03-12 19:44:22 UTC  

not really a surprise considering that facism came out of one of the socialist ideas floating around in the late 19th century

2020-03-12 19:44:37 UTC  

To a National Socialist, the volk is everything. The state exists (if it exists) as a tool for promoting the interests of the nation. So the actual form of government is secondary, and in fact you would expect it to be as different for every nation as the national characters are themselves.

2020-03-12 19:45:57 UTC  

tbh, facsim as that guy described is just too weak a framework, its basically communism without a "for the workers" goal attached to it

2020-03-12 19:46:50 UTC  

i just can't buy that as fascism it feels unfinished

2020-03-12 19:48:14 UTC  

Whereas for fascists, the exact reverse is true. For them the state is prime. The nation, insofar as it exists, is simply a tool for the state. As Noyer said, a social construct.

2020-03-12 19:48:56 UTC  

I say it sort of tongue in cheek, but the reality is that black shirts were the first CivNat cucks.

2020-03-12 19:55:05 UTC  

sure the state is prime, but what does the state do? what is the stated goal of that state. for natsocs it's simple, preserve the nation, for communists it's the worker's (officially at least), and so on, what does fascism have?

2020-03-12 19:55:51 UTC  

Lol. The interests of the state.

2020-03-12 19:56:44 UTC  

Empty af then, just plop in whatever nation, and whatever the state wants happens, which just basically describes every communist regime ever

2020-03-12 20:01:24 UTC  

>empty af
I mean... yeah. Basically.

2020-03-12 20:02:40 UTC  

But I think the larger point is neither National Socialism or Communism is *necessarily* totalitarian. Either one could be anything from Anarchic to Totalitarian.

2020-03-12 20:03:04 UTC  

isn't syndicalism basically anarchic communism?

2020-03-12 20:03:47 UTC  

Well... *technically* all communism is anarchic on paper.

2020-03-12 20:04:30 UTC  

And vanguard communism *W A S N ' T R E A L C O M M U N I S M*, as the meme goes...

2020-03-12 20:05:19 UTC  

isn't the whole point of communism that it adds an overarching party to help coordinate all the syndicates, while syndicalism was all about having worker's own the factories (or capital as they now call it)

2020-03-12 20:06:56 UTC  

No, actually. Under pure Marxian communism, no one owns the means of production.

2020-03-12 20:07:47 UTC  

Whereas under Syndacalism (lol), yes. Worker syndicates would own their respective means of production.

2020-03-12 20:09:06 UTC  

... how did people buy into that?????? how??? how are people still buying into that????????? who takes care of that property? the people don't own it, so why should they care for it?

2020-03-12 20:09:33 UTC  

Muh class consciousness...?

2020-03-12 20:10:45 UTC  

i just automatically assumed that communism would have state control inscribed into it, because that is the only way i even saw a remote chance of working, but a mess like that??? did he want everyone to go back to the cave age?

2020-03-12 20:12:10 UTC  

my opinion of communists has managed go even lower... i hated them already and thought them dumb, but i didn't realize that they are **that** dumb

2020-03-12 20:19:22 UTC  

> did he want everyone to go back to the cave age?
Lol. No. He literally envisioned Star Trek, but without Star Trek technology. Basically said all of everyone's needs would be met because businesses had gotten so good producing.

2020-03-12 20:20:21 UTC  

The businesses, farm, etc. Staffed by workers. Would continue to provide after everyone stopped working...

2020-03-12 20:20:27 UTC  

🤣 🤣 🤣

2020-03-12 20:20:51 UTC  

Heheh

2020-03-12 20:21:25 UTC  

literal braindead idiots, i can't believe that intelligent people are falling for this shit, i could understand it, if it was the uneducated serf, thinking that he could finally stop farming every day, but this is just so dumb

2020-03-12 20:23:58 UTC  

at least wait until fabricators are here, with robots doing all the servant work, before you decide to fall for marxism

2020-03-12 20:29:51 UTC  

> A socialist economy would not base production on the creation of private profits, but on the criteria of satisfying human needs—that is, production would be carried out directly for use.
🤣 🤣 🤣

2020-03-12 20:36:33 UTC  

and half of my bloodline fell for it, and the other was just as close...i am cursed

2020-03-12 20:41:36 UTC