You don't even need to care about cause, outcomes are all you need to track.

You can quibble about cause and helping certain groups I guess, but obviously we haven't found the "cause" because we haven't been able to "fix" any of the target groups...

I'm not going to *say* I'm naive or wishcasting in general but it's certainly possible and I'm not trying to say I'm all knowing or even thay wise about this stuff

@A. Spader
That's fair.

@A. Spader
I guess since this is really the finsl point of contention, and it is a subjective and quantitative question, would you say that the average man has the extremely high threshold for risk and extreme optimism on the subject that you do?

The problem isn't marriages, the problem is modern laws that make all the costs of separation fall upon the man.

Most of the time there's no direct down side to the woman for a divorce for any reason she feels.

>I'm not sexually satisfied, but he's a great dad and husband

@Catboi
The problem is women are demonic hellspawn, tbh.

probably 60% of divorces right there

That, and Jews.

I can tell you right now, if it wasn't a free ride to get divorced...

most women wouldn't treat it like they do

Man has to pay his own attorney and HERS

even if she has her own money in many states

shit is a joke

Just the social economic side of it would be enough to change people's behaviors...

> I guess since this is really the finsl point of contention, and it is a subjective and quantitative question, would you say that the average man has the extremely high threshold for risk and extreme optimism on the subject that you do?
@Unironic Ohio Supremecist I would suspect very few

@A. Spader
So then you would concede that my initial position is likely true for both the mean and the majority?

Oh yeah. Very few people are fervently religious, and without that there is absolutely no point to marriage in this day and age

Welp...

Flawless victory!

Lolbergs, shitlibs, and tradbois all btfo.

Next up is catfags.

Then whatever the fuck Weeps is.

Feelsbad not having any worthy opponents...

😢

Lol I should have been more clear at the beginning that marriage without God in clown world is a joke

Well fam...

Got some bad news.

Women have no souls. So bringing God into a relationship with them is tough...

Disavow

Lol. Go polish your armor.

@Legalize
That was addressed to Spader.

Sorry if that was unclear.

I figured it was obvious that any concern I had for participants outside of the debate was for Spades.

@Legalize because you p lay minecraft

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***Catboi#9493 has been warned.***

@Legalize so you're saying you've been divorced?

🤔

Oh, so it wasn't off topic