Excuse me, deported* /s

clearly you have no clue how the feds operate

I know how they operate IRL, but this is how they should hypothetically operate

well

at least I can assume how they operate

assuming they operate the same way the English government do

> assuming they operate the same way the English government do
Pretty sure none of our government agencies round up prepubescent girls for Muslim rape gangs...

@Tomstead
First of all, hung over and experiencing alcohol withdrawal are too very different things.

Secondly, you are suggesting sending home the vast majority of the Federal workforce would be safe on any given day?

The government of England is anti English

It should be overthrown

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The English have tolerated twitter police for over 10 years.

Do you think they can be taught to love freedom again?

>muh freedom
Lol. Why would that be a good thing?

The problem is there are too many people willing to surrender freedom for *security*

I’d rather have dangerous freedom than peaceful slavery

depends, of course, on what you mean by freedom

but generally agree

The reality is without order, you get none of the above.

Well no society is truly free, even in America we are heavily restricted, but off the cuff, I mean freedom by the protection of basic rights like in the constitution, and having any higher powers fuck off after that

>muh rights
Lol.

Rights are based, the problem is almost everything people think are rights are not

there is not, for instance, a natural right to vote

nor is there a right to move to someone else's country

nor is there a right to health insurance

Rights are fake and gay.

and the thing about "rights" is they are basically unicorn magic without something or someone willing to defend them

I dunno. Even supposedly Enlightenment based systems like English common law and the US system don't seem to actually believe in rights...

True enough, but literal freedom would lead to anarchy, the best we can do is attempt to structure a society with limited powers and rules to keep others groups from just killing us all

"the constitution is made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the governance of any other"

Yep

the thing about the actual rights in the American Bill of Rights is they all predate the document, not only ideologically but in law

actual rights being things like the right to defense of self, family, and nation

@A. Spader
Sure. But if that was supposed to address my point, it didn't. Our entire criminal justice system is not structured around defending/protecting rights. It's structured around punishing violations of obligations.

it wasn't @Unironic Ohio Supremecist

Gotcha.

We become less christian, or at least stray further from it, and look at the yahoos pumping their kids with hormones in hopes of getting their sons dick cut off,
Whether or not you actually are about others, pushing for their individual rights helps to maintain yours, since you basically have folks backing you if you’re on the chopping block since they don’t want to be next

ultimately people have the government they allow/deserve

early America worked because the people were deeply pious people

if you put the same lack of system in place today the country would descend into utter chaos