i just wanna get us all on the same page here

ok

yeah that's just not true

is is tho

It is

ur a bitch

You have an authoritarian government and a bad economy

What about all of eastern europe where far-right and fascist ideology is thriving then?

Leftism is inherently non-authoritarian

lol nop

that's like, the whole point of leftism

nope

No its not

Leftists that are authoritarians are not Leftists

hence, Tankies

so aoc is not lefty?

leftism is inherently authoritarian since the method of achieving a communist society as prescribed by marx was through an initial stage of socialism, which relies on a strong authoritarian government

how is AOC an authoritarian

i get that communists emphasise a free/anarchic society, but if you need to use authoritarianism to get there, then you are authoritarian

@BIGMAN that is a massive reduction, and most leftists do not believe in the dictatorship of the prole like that

then you're a lot of bad marxists

aoc want to fulfill her political vision through authoritarian government policies

Leftism can be authoritarian nearly all leftist states were

Social Equality and anti-descrimination is not the same as authoritarianism

Is communism not leftist?

most forms of communism that have existed were authoritarian regimes, and only communist in name

also i don't really care what most leftists believe if that's the way that leftist ideology has always manifested btw

making racism illegal and decriminalizing illegal immigration is authoritarian

lol

really

is that your definition

Communism is not the left

anti-descrimination = taking away my rights to discriminate?

100 years of socialist history are a much better demonstration of leftist ideology than some queer with a megaphone in california shouting about making a sex worker union

That's where we're at in this debate

if you start locking up polititcal dissidents and so called "racists" you're an authoritarian

btw can i just ask what the entire point of this argument is

i was under the impression that none of us cared about authoritarianism

Its a distraction

i just keep hearing really dumb shit, and arguing about it

that's pretty much it