i agree

obama aint black

and that's part of why 2012 turnout was lower

obama is irish

Barry O'bama

so far, turnout has been higher in some regards than in 2008

Barini Obuomo

bernie doesnt pull in any moderates and pushes away basic bitch democrats

There arent a lot of moderates anymore tho are there

tru

boomer dems, sans the hippies, are as conditioned to hating socialism as the republicans are

that's not reallllly true

the same %s of that generation are comparable to feelings about it with current gens

i guarantee dems would call bernie vs trump a election of 2 russian plants

maybe not the word itself, "socialism", but the policies themselves

they already did

Establishment Dems are just corporatists

Looking at the caucus votes and etc it's pretty obvious the moderates are a majority over the bernie supporters

If trump moved more moderate on the economy he could probably beat bernie fairly easily

but the difference is, moderates are not going to massively go and vote for Trump

and that's assuming buttigieg or some other moderate doesn't steal the place as nominee

moderate dems are a very weak base of support for trump

i guess they may stay home

but i don't think the numbers show that so far

that's as good as half a vote

again it depends how trump runs

lol

i can envision trump running in ways that capitalised on disenfranchised radicals

idk if it would be likely or not

he's already adopting some leftist talking strategies

since his corporate donors are still behind him

that's why populism is important though, it can defeat donors

and corporations

that is how trump won 2016

not in america

Hillary raised way more money than Trump did in 2016

like wayyyyy more

Trump had populist rhetoric though

Trump won the republican candidate race on the merit that he just called ppl out for being shills

i can imagine if he still has his debate energy he could do the same thing

and bernie is doing something similarly on the Dem side