sniffing packets in and out they pown u

No not sniffing. With VPNs you are piggy backing off their connection. So they get to see everything you are doing

you are using their connection

I am shocked the trust people put into VPNs

So your ISP only sees you connect to the VPN. But the VPN sees everything you are doing and don't have the same laws to protect you or to even not to spy on you. You are putting all that trust into the VPN that can bascally do anything they like with your info cos there isn't any laws saying they can't

They see you put your password in every website that you use

yes. most websites don't matter. like I said, don't use for banks or purchasing.

so you trust your web surfing behavior with someone that doesn't have to have your back

you don't think most VPNs won't give you up in a heartbeat if the local officials ask them what they have been doing on their internet connection

All a VPN is, is piggy backing off their connection.

So instead of the local officials going to you, they will go to them. But The VPN will have all your info and will give it up

this is why a vpn in foreign jurisdictions is preferable. Nothing is perfect.

I like Eastern Europe.

So unless you don't use a western VPN, and you trust none western countries with your internet behavior??

Whats the point of VPNs??

use random proxies or tor. whats both free

dumb cunts use VPNs

If you pay for a VPN they literally have all your info

including your bank info

so your home address

as paranoid people use VPNs they seem really dumb. They don't trust their ISP but trust a rando that set up a VPN

If my isp ratted out bank and CC info, word would get around and their business would tank

vpns can be turned off.

but you trust a small little VPN probably set up by one guy?

no, which is why I turn it off. I use it for mostly privacy but not criminal actions.

use tor its free ands not run by one guy

I worry about TOR more. The Office of Naval Research helped make it.

use both!

you trust governments?

no, but at least ISP have laws in place to protect users

VPNs don't

true but they are immune anyway if they give up your log data. some don't even need to see warrants, just be asked.

Here's another mind-blower...your DSL or cmodem etc. hooks into a DNS server before it even sees a vpn or TOR. The most popular one is 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4, this is Goggle's free public DNS servers. They work with the NSA/CIA a lot. They technically get all your traffic unencrypted .

Others are static DNS IP, can be sniffed by state level actors.

well you need to set that up. most dns use what the isp give you. but you could use 208.67.222.222 · 208.67.220.220

its very easy to change dns

the example I posted is opendns

yes, but it's not hard to find what you use and monitor it in livetime nowadays. If they have warrant or deniability the can always sneak a keylogger on you.

it never ends

the net is not as free as it was.