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2019-01-09 18:22:08 UTC  

Does the video have sources

2019-01-09 18:22:17 UTC  

Oof

2019-01-09 18:22:24 UTC  

Look

2019-01-09 18:23:36 UTC  

Basically st Paul said completely different stuff as is practiced in Catholicism when we are talking about original sin

2019-01-09 18:24:40 UTC  

Ok, can you give me the arguments he makes?

2019-01-09 18:24:52 UTC  

Hold on busy

2019-01-09 18:34:43 UTC  

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Original_sin orthodoxy believes in ancestral sin

2019-01-09 18:35:29 UTC  

That our ancestors provide a devilish desire to sin and the only way to cleanse this is through baptism

2019-01-09 18:41:47 UTC  

Ok, Catholics believe that Original sin is a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our descent from Adam.
Every human was born with the Original sin (except the Virgin Mary).
Original sin is similar to mortal sin. Anyone who dies in the state of mortal sin goes to hell. The only way to cleanse Original sin, is through baptism.

2019-01-09 18:46:32 UTC  

I mean, make an argument.
I am not really familiar with the Orthodox view on it.
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2019-01-09 18:51:09 UTC  

Well in orthodoxy no one is safe from the consequences of Adams’s actions but rather we are all suffering from his actions, the way god views us has been tarnished by sin and to remove this thick tarnish we must be baptised

2019-01-09 18:54:25 UTC  

Ok, so you believe that every human is born with Original sin, right?

2019-01-09 18:55:12 UTC  

Isn't that what all Christians believe

2019-01-09 18:55:13 UTC  

Yes

2019-01-09 18:55:29 UTC  
2019-01-09 18:55:40 UTC  

The prots

2019-01-09 18:55:42 UTC  

Well, all real Christians

2019-01-09 18:55:48 UTC  

Mormons don't count

2019-01-09 18:56:03 UTC  

A lot of prots don't believe in it

2019-01-09 18:56:08 UTC  

I was baptized

2019-01-09 18:56:14 UTC  

As a Lutheran

2019-01-09 18:57:05 UTC  

Lutherans at least have some theology...
I am talking about people like Baptists, Evangelicals etc.

2019-01-09 18:57:27 UTC  

Lutherans are considered Evangelical

2019-01-09 18:57:28 UTC  

Some of them

2019-01-09 18:57:36 UTC  

The church I was baptized in is

2019-01-09 18:58:38 UTC  

Nah, I mean like Evangelical denominations like in America

2019-01-09 18:58:58 UTC  

"Israel is our greatest ally" types

2019-01-09 18:59:03 UTC  

Yeah

2019-01-09 18:59:18 UTC  

Many Lutherans admittedly do believe that

2019-01-09 18:59:23 UTC  

In America

2019-01-09 18:59:44 UTC  

The main two Lutheran Church types in the US are ELCA and LCMS

2019-01-09 18:59:57 UTC  

ELCA is Evangelical Lutheran Church of America

2019-01-09 19:00:08 UTC  

LCMS is Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

2019-01-09 19:00:42 UTC  

Ah, I see...well Lutherans are at least a bit more "traditional" when it comes to theology.

2019-01-09 19:01:17 UTC  

ELCA tends to be more liberal as I see

2019-01-09 19:01:34 UTC  

I think Martin Nigger Kang is considered a Saint in ELCA

2019-01-09 19:01:46 UTC  

I think so too

2019-01-09 19:01:47 UTC  

lol

2019-01-09 19:02:12 UTC  

I have seen a Luther liturgical calendar

2019-01-09 19:02:22 UTC  

I'm not referring to Martin Luther