and the build too i guess

Also its the same with hoi4 and eu4 with me

because shogun2 and hoi4 are easier than attila and eu4

I've never played eu4 or hoi4. Though I have played Crusader Kings II.

thats way harder than eu4 i hear

Play as Byzantium and you'll rip your hair out.

ik

Apparently it's almost impossible to survive as Byzantium.

I rip my hair out in any country from ck2 or eu4

I lose to euros as the ottomans

IN EU4

lmoa

What I love about Attila tho is that it's an entirely different kind of Total War game.

Essentially you gotta build high and not wide.

That's how you gotta play the WRE at the beginning. Shit is difficult but I surpassed it and even beat Attila on open field.

How

Also I fucking hate how in the tutorial

they start you as the goths

ya know

the people in a civil war and about to get killed by the huns

It should start you out as the Saxons or the Franks tbh.

They're the easiest factions to play, mostly because everybody loves you and you don't start out in a war.

If you play the Saxons you have the Angles as your client state.

also what do you mean build high?

You know how you paint the map in Shogun 2? How you conquer each province and try to get wider and wider and engulf everything in your path? In Attila you can do that, but the gameplay will fight you tooth and nail early to mid game. Especially as the WRE & ERE. What I learned is that I needed to upgrade Italia only and defend it. I began building as much as I could and invested a lot of money (and I mean a lot of fucking money) into sanitation and overall public order, including agricultural buildings.

You get to the point where each turn is like 10 minutes long with you just thinking what'd be good for the next 10 turns.

so \

basically you fortify the shit out of one place and wait until your enemies are exhausted then you attack?

Yep.

thats what playing high is?

If you want to build high, and slowly broaden out, that's the way to do it.

It's a slow process but you'll steamroll everything after turn 60.

Yeah

thats how you kill nations bigger than you on hoi4

Wouldn't surprise me. Though i'd expect a lot more political nonsense brought into the mix though.

@A Pesky Sæxon Actually hoi4 is very simple and more army based

than eu4 or ck2

Shogun2 is way different then

you all start basically the same and try to fuck over people before they fuck over you

and then hope your army is big enough to take on the shogun and 1/2 of japan

Oh my man i've played Shogun 2. Oda fan here.