Well, if it helps, he's trans because of a diagnosed mental illness, not frivoulous bullshit. It's not a debate I wanna get into but he's not the liberal stereotype

Gender dysphoria is a fun topic for research nowadays

Wish it was better researched. I've had a lot of interesting debates with him about it but most of the solutions we've come to come done to speculation.

Pre-2007 it was essentially a low key thing

I wouldn’t mind it if it wasn’t shoved in my face by the left

I still think it’s icky but you do you

Now? I dislike them wholeheartedly

I cannot support trans gender people

Agree

It’s not the solution or treatment they need

Agreed. My bf agrees too, strangely enough

And when you look at the statistics on depression and suicide in trans people you it’s very clearly a bad idea

To him, transitioning is a last resort when medication and therapy fail. which, they sadly have for him. He's had it since he was 9.

Transitioning is a heavily flawed idea

It’s a questionable hardware solution to a software issue

“Doc chop off my arm, I’m actually a pirate”
“No, please take some antipsychotics”

One with gender dysphoria to that degree will not be “fixed” by mutilating their body

“Doc please chop off my dick”
“Congratulations Ma’am”

When all else fails transitioning is a suitible coping method, but the dangerous and experimental surgeries make it a huge danger. I don't think theres an argument against "soft" transitioning like name changes and crossdressing though.

The issue is the way society views gender dysphoria

There needs to be better solutions but they're not being persued, byecause people just leave it at "transition", ingoring the regret and suicide rates.

The issue is low key how society views gender

not to go all feminist

Gender doesn’t exist per say

Sex exists

It all boils down to biology

We have societal roles for the two sexes because they made sense for thousands of years

They still do, to some extent

I don’t think it’s bad to say men should support a family, for example

No, but we act like it does. It's actively enforced in some cases. IE the social stigma of crossdressing. At the core, theres no reason a skirt is "feminine", but a man is berated and called gay or trans if he decides he likes wearing them. This causes a lot of confusion for people who don't conform to these roles, and this is reinforced by the left who takes this confused people and tell them that they don't like skirts. Their problem is that they were born in the wrong body.

Gender norms exist for a reason because of natural differences between sexes. however, these differences already manifest naturally and there. Tehy don't need to be enforced.

Idk man I like cute girly girls

I don’t like having those distinctions removed

We live in a society where there’s a standard of normality that should be upheld

Indeed

Social norms are good

We have thots because of a collapse of social norms

Or, well, a major change in them anyway

Girly cute girls will exist naturally becasue females tend to be agreeable and open. However, "tomboys" have a personality that is traditionally masculine, and they shouldnt be forced to be feminine.

Not normal guy would want to be overly feminine

These norms will self enforce and those that don't conform are a better fit elsewhere.