Be glad they didn't model the horrible accuracy, petal jamming, and tumbling of APDS

The British are fucking mongoloids

Trying to defend British tanks, lmao

>Fucking mongoloids
>Centurion (A Medium tank designed in 1944 and built in 1945 and updated many times since) was capable of easily out performing the Abrahams under operational conditions until a few years back.
>Challenger can shrug off slavshit AP from point blank (know this because I talked to a tank commander who was in the gulf, his tank was ambushed at pb and the slavic shot bounced)
>British tech used in most Western tanks
But if your on about WW2 designs then yeah, that was retarded

The Chally is the slowest, least useful MBT in the western world.

It's good for defense

>Cruisers
>Infantry
>Light
It was a bad idea from the start

And at the same time tougher than any other tank in the world so far.

Also >gulf
So he got shot by training shells

What's actually impressive is the Chally that got hit like 29 times by various RPGs including RPG-29's AND A MILAN, and got knocked out because *the driver slipped in to a ditch on accident*

That said, you have to understand our philosophy with tanks, we are/were until recently gearing up to fae the soviet hordes and the general idea was to sit back hull down and pick them off at range

Oh shit yeah, that one

*How did I forget*

Or that the only successful combat penetration of a Chally 2 was point-blank as it came over the hill, on the lower glacis, and all it did was pop some toes off the driver.

WITH AN RPG-29

Don't get me wrong, the Challenger 2 is my fucking spirit animal

It's the Maus reincarnated as an MBT

BUT, it's riddiled with British stupidity.

But yeah, mobility was not considered massively key as the general idea was to let *them* come to *us* because *fuck charging a literal sea of soviet tanks*

The problem is that these days wars are becoming more and more mobile, hence why we operated leopards in fuckbuckistan

I mean it's not the worst idea

Its just outdated

My biggest issue with the Chally is that AFAIK it doesn't run an MTU diesel and a smoothbore 120.

So CHARM will punch through shit real good up close, better than M829 or DM-whatever the fuck, but it can't do shit at range because *rifled 120*

Oh yeah, the guns being upgraded *finally*

Except they want a German gun because what is in-house production amiright

I mean, its fucking retarded, you want a gun and you go to Germany and not BOFOR's?

That said its as stupid as us using a rifled gun for so long anyway when smoothbore and FS became the standard for NATO nations years back, and has proven to be superior

But once again we are only just coming out of the "We will have to fight off hordes of USSR tanks in defensive positions" mindset. Shit, look at WW2 and how long it took us to admit the Cruiser concept of "speed is armour" was shit and actually make a good medium tank, or shit, to admit that the 2pdr was actually useless and upgrade our tanks to the 6pdr.

It comes down to it we get our stuff done but we take ages to do it, or to even admit it needs doing in the first place.

It's a weird peculiarity in British thinking

I've noticed it everywhere

You guys shitcanned jet aircraft until the 262 started raping stuff

It took ages for the RN to get up to current design standards

And the aircraft, my god.

Even so America still has the lead on us

*Especially* in ground attack aircraft - who else has put a howitzer and an actual broadside onto an aerial platform?

Ehh, US aircraft peaked in the Cold War and have gone well downhill since "stealth is life" meme became IRL

as an american all I can say is *I love big booms*

deadass I want a p51 with a 40mm

To be fair we have less than three dozen Gunships.