Message from @FrostBite'sAce

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2019-02-18 23:10:09 UTC  

The F-35 seems pretty damn good, despite being a dumpster fire IRL so far

2019-02-18 23:58:09 UTC  

The YF-23 should have a significant ordnance payload, that's odd

2019-02-18 23:58:31 UTC  

It was basically a hybrid of an interceptor/intruder/strike bomber

2019-02-18 23:58:57 UTC  

The YF version didn't have way too much, but I bet it would have gotten expanded. Regardless, it isn't too bad at all.

2019-02-18 23:59:22 UTC  

Pretty good for the campaign, but I much prefer the F-15E if I need a fast-ish multirole.

2019-02-19 00:00:00 UTC  

Well it was immediately reproposed to the Navy as a F/B, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it could have carried a LOT of ordnance.

2019-02-19 00:00:21 UTC  

One sec, let me ask someone.

2019-02-19 00:00:41 UTC  

And if they don't have the answer, then wiki might have it.

2019-02-19 00:02:40 UTC  

According to it's Wikipedia page, it had provisions made for a M61 Vulcan, 2x AIM-9Xs, and 4x AIM-120s.

2019-02-19 00:03:35 UTC  

Though I wouldn't be surprised if the Navy did try to edge in a reconfiguration considering the FB-22 concept was a thing.

2019-02-19 00:04:33 UTC  

But I don't know off the top of my head if they actually did try to make a pitch for it or not.

2019-02-19 00:05:02 UTC  

It's OK for some campaign missions, but absolute garbo for MP

2019-02-19 00:05:21 UTC  

F-22 can't carry much more than the YF-23 now that I've checked. Dunno if the YF could have handled such a large internal bay though.

2019-02-19 00:05:26 UTC  

You really gotta hope the enemy is dumb enough to either head on or stall

2019-02-19 00:05:31 UTC  

ye

2019-02-19 00:05:45 UTC  

I've been caught in a stall fight a few times.

2019-02-19 00:06:23 UTC  

And the the F-22 was more so what the USAF was looking for at the time from my understanding. Better overall, but the YF-23 wasn't bad either.

2019-02-19 00:06:48 UTC  

Regardless, the only mission I think I've really used the YF-23 a lot in AC7 would be M19.

2019-02-19 00:07:02 UTC  

Ambushes on the drone leads are EZ.

2019-02-19 00:07:34 UTC  

The F-22 is overall better than the YF-23. It's more maneuverable and more stable with better stealth capabilities. I think it's only downfall IRL is it's a tad slower

2019-02-19 00:07:59 UTC  

Which isn't saying much since it's cleared for mach 2.5

2019-02-19 00:08:08 UTC  

Wrong on stealth

2019-02-19 00:08:21 UTC  

YF-23 had a lower RCS and higher top speed

2019-02-19 00:08:36 UTC  

F-22 was more maneuverable but a decent bit slower

2019-02-19 00:09:55 UTC  

It was basically a choice of "interceptor" or "fighter", which would have worked but the Air Force is retarded and can't make up their minds.

2019-02-19 00:10:20 UTC  

So they took the fighter, and then immediately forced it in to an interceptor and F/B role

2019-02-19 00:10:34 UTC  

The lack of maneuverability really kills it though

2019-02-19 00:10:52 UTC  

I mean it was still a supermaneuverable airframe.

2019-02-19 00:11:03 UTC  

No thrust vectoring.

2019-02-19 00:11:07 UTC  

Ummm

2019-02-19 00:11:20 UTC  

HAte to tell you, but both the PAV-1 and PAV-2 engine models had 2D thrust vectoring

2019-02-19 00:11:47 UTC  

It's the P&W F119 and GE something something 160kN engine

2019-02-19 00:12:12 UTC  

GE YF120

2019-02-19 00:12:47 UTC  

It doesn't have thrust vectoring.
"It was powered by two turbofan engines with each in a separate engine nacelle with S-ducts, to shield engine axial compressors from radar waves, on either side of the aircraft's spine.[21] Of the two aircraft built, the first YF-23 (PAV-1) was fitted with Pratt & Whitney YF119 engines, while the second (PAV-2) was powered by General Electric YF120 engines. The aircraft featured fixed engine nozzles, instead of thrust vectoring nozzles as on the YF-22.[11] As on the B-2, the exhaust from the YF-23's engines flowed through troughs lined with heat-ablating tiles to dissipate heat and shield the engines from infrared homing (IR) missile detection from below."

2019-02-19 00:13:24 UTC  

Just fixed outputs with heat shields to increase the stealth capability

2019-02-19 00:13:39 UTC  

That's strange, considering both the F119 and YF120 have integral thrust vectoring

2019-02-19 00:14:15 UTC  

Sure, but on this airframe, it doesn't

2019-02-19 00:14:23 UTC  

Though it sounds like Northrop increased the stealth profile by burying the outlet in the vents

2019-02-19 00:14:23 UTC  

That's honestly the first time I've ever heard of that tbh.

2019-02-19 00:14:38 UTC  

@FrostBite'sAce thrust vectoring or the lack of it on this aircraft?

2019-02-19 00:14:51 UTC  

Integral Thrust Vectoring