that was twos before they nerfed the sabre platform strat

it can still be 2s with a salamander but thats not worth the points

Catachans get a buff to random shit weapons too

Before it was a 5" pieplate that still had a chance to hit something even if it missed atrociously

yeah

Before it averaged 4 dead MEQ's, usually getting to 5 or 6

but everyones had that nerf

I've been playing guard since 4th lmao

I'm not having any problems this edition

Sorry if I sound salty, but I remember my old metal box with a gun

So do I ^)

I run fluffy krieg artillery lists and still win

its about correct use of strategems etc

Yeah, it's not like imperial guard are the only one without pie plates

Things like the vindicator have been nerfed to the point of uselessness

The metas in various armies changed, Leman Russ is still a workhorse, it's not not used exactly the same way it used to be

exactly

imo

the baneblade got buffed

its disgusting now

i mean it was before

but its even more so

All vehicles got buffed in the survival department

its main gun is dirty

6th and 7th only needed 3 meer glancing hits to wreck most vehicles

https://youtu.be/_mlUSI5-Jhk

tune of the guard

Yeah my SM army has vindicators both normal and laser one from fw

And I have whirlwinds

Which have always sucked

I do not have templates anymore either

Yeah, I remember the last time I tried to bring my Guard army out, and got hammered by Nurgle. Im not one for buying into all these formations and stuff thanks, especially as the effort/reward is so low.

@Blood Rose thats like the entire thing of WH table top... You put all this money and effort into plastic and resin models and paint them and shit and you probably get absolutely wrecked so you rinse and repeat until you figure it out

@Blood Rose USE TANKS FAGGOT

@Blood Rose yeah, you went into a new, unfamiliar rule set, and played against someone I assumed has been playing it before. You lost, thats to be expected of the circumstnces, you cant expect to just reenter the game and stomp all over other players.

***^***

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and formations dont exist anymore ~~They're bringing them back but for casual and narrative play only~~

if you play "competitive" rules you dont have to worry about that.

AdMech are getting a formation

everyone (On Vigilus) is in Vigilus Defiant, but like I said they arnt allowed for matched play, its just for narrative campaigns and casual play, fluffy rules for fluffy formations