The battle cannon also was kind of mediocre 5th and on, because it slowly lost role relevancy. The Russ variant that detonates itself was drastically better in 6th and 7th because it could do more than just strip a HP off a tank on a good day

>discussing modern tank angle slope age and gun size as if it matters rules and lore wise compared to what the authors actually wrote for the universe

Now I see the autism

You're arguing what should work. Logically irl or by modern physics a LR would do better than a rhino or predator due to slope and gun size.

By that train of thought thunderhawks let alone aquila landers can't fly and the imperium cannot communicate

Yeah, just strap more engines to shit and it'll fly, now let me get back to murdering violent fungus

I mean enough thrust and anything flies

Look at the phantom

(I love the Phantom)

Glob has a point

Thunderhawks literally do not fly by aerodynamic forces, they just have 3 giant engines meant for something like a Fury, not a dropship. Any time a Thunderhawk loses thrust it goes full brick.

You have thrust, lift, drag, and gravity

Enough thrust with *just* enough lift to get off the ground will overcome the other two

It won’t fly *well* but it’ll fly

See the Antonov

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_A-40

Even by aerodynamic quality they aren't the worst, the wings and the body, while blocked and almost nothing being rounded, there is plenty of surface area to generate lift.
The drag coefficients of the Imperium's void craft and aircraft honestly aren't the worst especially when jet fighters today in cases are being built to be rigged and unstable to increase their manueverability in high speed flight. Which, yes, actually works that way.

And with those engines giving out as much thrust as they seem to be giving, that's plenty of force to push a large amount of air under and over the body and wings of the craft

If we were being legitimate about everything, Knights would be almost unkillable from the front, Titans would actually be unkillable from the front, Primarchs shouldn't be able to die due to how much armour they're wearing and they also should move at the speed of slugs trying outrace a Ferrari Diablo, Adeptus Astarties would almost be unkillable...

The discussion of realism has been had many upon many a time.
The thing about 40k and it's realism though is that everything is overpowered and obnoxious to a degree so they balance each other out across factions.

To be fair, the motive bundles in power armor are based on real materials, and they can be obscenely powerful.

Expecially if you scale them up to Titan sizes

Oh lord, Titan-grade servos could probably wrench a supercarrier in half

Things tend to get REALLY efficient per power unit when they get big

So you have a starship-grade plasma reactor pumping untold petawatts in to giant servos, Titans don't move slow because they're limited to that speed, they have to move slow because their structural components wouldn't be able to handle the level of acceleration they're theoretically capable of.

Also I'm pretty sure Titans exploit the shit out of a-grav systems

I would think they don't unless he have to, but then again titans are the kind of thing the Ad Mech pulls out all the stops for, so I guess they wouldn't hold anti-grav back

Yeah, a titan is essentially a physical manifestation of the Omnissiah, so not putting all the cool stuff in them is tantamount to heresy

Remember, Titans were built by Mars shortly after the Dark Age. They still had all that sexy Dark Age tech and knowledge to build giant war walkers with. So even if they don't know how most a-grav shit works, they do know the *exact* blueprints for each Titan hull, and just like STC tech all you have to do is follow the instructions. No understanding of the background theories and technologies required.

But, credit where it's due, the AdMech aren't dumb. They do actively maintain an understanding of scientific theories several orders of magnitude more advanced than anything we know now.

They just make dumb choices with that knowledge, like most intelligent people do.

Also because the last time mankind went on a spree of inventing, it caused the age of strife

Not really.

They built ONE technology that caused their downfall. General Artifical Intelligence.

And then, based their entire society on the exploitation and subservience of sapient beings.

Sapient beings that also happened to be GIANT FUCKING WAR ROBOTS

Hey now, nobody knew the war robots would go bad guy and start killing things. That's just rude of them to do it to begin with

Well, that's true. Obviously nobody could forsee AI robots going batshit and killing everybody. That'd be a good premise for a show or movie or something.

It did take time though for it to happen, and chaos probably was involved somewhere, considering how fucked Mars was before the Mechanicum decided it hated being normal

@RoflTank The running theory of why the Tau AI bots aren't killing everyone and everyone else's robots with AI are, is because the Tau are the only faction without a connection to the warp, which they are actually actively trying to achieve now.

Technically Tau AI is also pretty rudimentary. Drones are essentially retarded puppies that get a little smarter with a bunch of other drones nearby, whilst their AI personality stuff is just emulations of dead people

The Tau can't travel through the warp. They kinda just skip off of it. They're trying to figure out how to travel through the warp which means they'll figure out navigators and some derivative of psykers