>the standard by which all is compared

Both obsolete pieces of shit kept alive by dumbasses and boomers and dumbass boomers

I guess I can respect a position where you think both AR and AK platforms are shit but I still dont understand it

>he doesn't consider the AK the standard

>the most common firearm on the whole planet

AR-15 is 40 years old and well beyond reasonable service life for a platform

Just don't put a 2lb fucking cheesegrater on the AR and you're good

>Implying the Federov isnt the best Assault rifle

Also fuck the forward assist

Hot take: The AR-15 is just an updated StG.44

5.56 is being used in guns with a 14-16in barrel when it was literally designed for 20in barrels, and based on the WWII design of the assault rifle for engagements within a 200-300m envelope

Despite modern engagements being well in to the 800m range

The M16 was fine and the m4 is bad

And both NATO rounds being fucking garbage at these ranges

And still adequate Rofl. In addition, the AR-15 is one of the easier rifles to rechamber for new rounds. Everything from .22 LR to .50BMG and 20mm uppers for AR-15s exist.

It's inadequate

Modern engagements *Sometimes* reach into 800m

but if everyone uses an assault rifle that cant engage well past 300 but they engage at 800 whats the issue? seems like a fair fight to me

Most are within 200m

Artillery does our 800m

An overwhelming majority under 100m

They are routinely beyond 200m

The problem is the word police bullshit

To the point that infantry are bitching to bring back battel rifles because 5.56 is inadequate

>Same infantry will begin bitching about recoil

5.56 is inadequate in desert patrols

Infantry bitch about everything

@RoflTank Okay, so the AR-15 is inadequate. In what ways is it lacking? Are there any ways for those shortcomings to be addressed without fucking with the design too much? If not, what do you propose to take its place?

The US army moves on artillery, and we're just holding back because we're acting as police in the middle east

>Inb4 XM8

"my armor is heavy", "my armor is too light", "my gun is too big", "my gun can't kill past 300m", "my gun has too much recoil", "my ammo is too heavy"

M16 fine

@RoflTank You have not addressed any of my questions. Do you intend to do so?

And if you're going to go with a 16" barrel the dissipator was a better idea than an m4

It needs to be rebuilt to accept new tech and calibers, and the controls are antiquated.

There is no new tech

The design needs a complete internal rework

so if they bitch about everything why are you using them bitching about one specific thing to add credibility to your position?

Because it they're bitching about a factual, observable problem that's not just them being whiny faggots

Literally any downside of the ar15 can be swapped

Says who? you?