Message from @Innaswamp

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2018-12-12 19:57:07 UTC  

Fire no

2018-12-12 19:57:14 UTC  

RUNES WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

2018-12-12 19:57:17 UTC  

Let me preface by saying I don't agree with what is discussed in siege whatsoever.

2018-12-12 19:57:22 UTC  

NOW WE GOTTA LEARN ALL ABOUT WHITE SHARIA

2018-12-12 19:58:16 UTC  

Goddamnit

2018-12-12 19:58:32 UTC  

He's typing his fucking dissertation

2018-12-12 19:59:20 UTC  

Fuck

2018-12-12 19:59:51 UTC  

HES STILL TYPING

2018-12-12 19:59:57 UTC  

I TOLD YOU

2018-12-12 20:00:45 UTC  

@Runes you fucked us all with your arrogance

2018-12-12 20:00:54 UTC  

I think there are far better methods for instituting meaningful change than those outlined in Siege.
That being all said, in a nutshell, the argument in siege is as follows:
* Vast majority of population are lemmings who rely on the gov't for their needs and wants
* They cannot be argued or reasoned with in a way that makes them abandon the gov't in it's current state
* Therefore, to change their alignment, you must prevent the gov't from providing for their needs and wants
Essentially it's an argument to use indiscriminate violence to sow discord and topple the supports of society so other parties have a shot at winning the alignment of lemmings.

2018-12-12 20:01:35 UTC  

That’s retarded

2018-12-12 20:01:41 UTC  

Ideally under the conditions outlined in Siege, that party to take power in the chaos would be far-right and ethno-nationalist in nature

2018-12-12 20:01:49 UTC  

Oh I agree runes

2018-12-12 20:02:12 UTC  

It's fucking retarded and a good way to make nationalism even more taboo in the West.

2018-12-12 20:02:15 UTC  

^

2018-12-12 20:02:22 UTC  

you wanna see discontent? Double food and fuel prices.

2018-12-12 20:02:28 UTC  

OOF

2018-12-12 20:02:38 UTC  

Remember the Arab spring?

2018-12-12 20:02:41 UTC  

Collapse the agricultural sector even more with ridiculous EPA regs

2018-12-12 20:02:50 UTC  

Let osha loose

2018-12-12 20:02:51 UTC  

That was started over food prices

2018-12-12 20:02:59 UTC  

And then use the EPA to destroy domestic oil and natgas production

2018-12-12 20:03:07 UTC  

...

2018-12-12 20:03:08 UTC  

double fuel, food and power prices

2018-12-12 20:03:12 UTC  

I mean I get cranky about high gas prices

2018-12-12 20:03:12 UTC  

Wtf are you doing man

2018-12-12 20:03:39 UTC  

Runes, the EPA is the best weapon to do exactly that.

2018-12-12 20:03:55 UTC  

Starting a civil war

2018-12-12 20:04:00 UTC  

Honestly, if we had control over those industries and collapsed them or inflated prices to a degree that only the rich could afford them, that would be an economic way of accomplishing what was outlined in Siege.

2018-12-12 20:04:16 UTC  

They're heavily left-supported, and they can destroy industrial and agricultural sectors with ridiculous psuedo-science and fines.

2018-12-12 20:04:38 UTC  

Also, you can fear-monger about GMOs and fracking

2018-12-12 20:04:46 UTC  

I... I got nothing.

2018-12-12 20:04:48 UTC  

People love pearl clutching over that

2018-12-12 20:04:48 UTC  

Like I said, the theory is that Lemmings go along with shit because the government provides them with what they need and want. Deprive them of that and they search for a new teat to suckle.

2018-12-12 20:05:09 UTC  

@FireRising and the new teat is usually worse than the old teat

2018-12-12 20:05:21 UTC  

Well you just need to set up the new teat beforehand

2018-12-12 20:05:21 UTC  

I got popcorn

2018-12-12 20:05:26 UTC  

This is true. Like I said, Siegefags are fucking retarded.

2018-12-12 20:05:41 UTC  

If they can't get their basic needs from the government, the "conditioning" or whatever is broken is the idea?

2018-12-12 20:05:49 UTC  

If you want a Hitlerian rise to power, you need to set up the same circumstances beforehand