Message from @Reichtangle

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2019-02-23 20:44:13 UTC  

The long, heavy bullets of the Carcano were made to yaw pretty heavily if I remember

2019-02-23 20:45:01 UTC  

But yes, a "proto-battle rifle" seems like the best way to describe the federov in modern terms

2019-02-23 20:45:55 UTC  

However, the standard Italian service round used an unstable round-nosed bullet with a propensity to tumble, whether hitting soft tissue/ballistic gel or harder material such as bone.

2019-02-23 20:46:43 UTC  

not sure if they did that on purpose or if it was just because round nose rifle bullets were still fairly common

2019-02-23 20:47:02 UTC  

and they had to lengthen it to meet their weight reqirements

2019-02-23 20:47:07 UTC  

🤷

2019-02-23 20:47:17 UTC  

long bullets just yaw

2019-02-23 20:47:43 UTC  

The fedorov is sorta a battle rifle sorta an automatic rifle and we don’t really have good records on how it was used, only that it was relatively well liked

2019-02-23 20:48:21 UTC  

If only the Russians had kept 6.5 Jap in mind when developing the AVS and AVT

2019-02-23 20:49:14 UTC  

not sure that would have mattered

2019-02-23 20:50:19 UTC  

similar situation to the US and .276 pederson

2019-02-23 20:51:42 UTC  

276 is a more appreciable advantage though

2019-02-23 20:52:02 UTC  

Flatter shooting at the ranges combat occurs in, and two extra rounds in the en-bloc

2019-02-23 20:52:33 UTC  

A 6.5 AVT would have slightly less weird mags and shoot softer

2019-02-23 20:52:53 UTC  

Not that SVT’s shoot particularly hard

2019-02-23 20:53:01 UTC  

But it would have been controllable in full auto

2019-02-23 20:53:05 UTC  

Moreso anyway

2019-02-23 20:53:56 UTC  

right, but I mean from a logistical standpoint

2019-02-23 20:56:10 UTC  

For the US that’s far less of an issue

2019-02-23 20:56:36 UTC  

>Logical standpoint
In this server?

2019-02-23 20:56:48 UTC  

In theatre it would be kind of a PITA until all the 1903’s were gone but otherwise given how good US logistics were it would have been fine

2019-02-23 20:56:55 UTC  

For the Russians it would have been a nightmare lmao

2019-02-23 21:03:19 UTC  

ehhhh

2019-02-23 21:03:26 UTC  

10 years to re quip

2019-02-23 21:03:49 UTC  

and the US didn't have any machineguns in .276

2019-02-23 21:06:56 UTC  

For a long time we didn’t have an MG in 5.56 either

2019-02-23 21:07:09 UTC  

They changed cartridges halfway through Nam

2019-02-23 21:07:26 UTC  

If a 276 garand was accepted in 36 it gives them 5 years to prepare

2019-02-23 21:07:51 UTC  

Also consider this: 276 BAR

2019-02-23 21:08:13 UTC  

yea, but it was far more advantageous logistically to have one caliber in that scale of a conflict

2019-02-23 21:08:28 UTC  

Yes

2019-02-23 21:08:40 UTC  

But they weren’t aware they’d be dragged into a war that large

2019-02-23 21:09:00 UTC  

BAR is just meh any way you slice it

2019-02-23 21:09:07 UTC  

On the other hand there’s also the chance you’d wind up with a Russia situation

2019-02-23 21:10:01 UTC  

Or, well, a P13 scenario more likely

2019-02-23 21:10:22 UTC  

“War were declared, convert the Garand to standard 30-06 and use the 1903 in the meantime”

2019-02-23 21:12:55 UTC  

so a slower fielding than what happened

2019-02-23 21:13:38 UTC  

actually, I'm sure the M1919 or 1917s could have been converted to .276 without too much trouble

2019-02-23 21:16:11 UTC  

Well yeah

2019-02-23 21:16:21 UTC  

That was what I was attempting to get at

2019-02-23 21:16:32 UTC  

Did the 1919 use a similar action to the maxim?