it wouldnt have been a significant factor in the surrender where youd say "yep the bombing of that specific city ended the war and saved 10000392991949299292 american lives"

japan was being starved

the average civilian diet consisted of extremely little

Aagain, Aermica was going into bad debt from the war

and even so, once again there was no actual warning

do you have a source on that

and needed a end it quickly, the time it would have taken before proved to not be enough

i havent heard of "america needing the war to end quickly due to increasing debt"

The saudis were charging us big bucks for oil

that doesnt sound right

If we had no oil, our planes and ships blockadingwould have to go home, re-opening Japan's supply routes

im pretty sure

the us got its oil domestically

At the time of ww2 the us accounted for 60% of world oil

japan isn't in a bad way today

thats the reason why japan attacked the us in the first place

the us ceased exporting oil to japan

the 2 bomb helped to changed the government of japan

lmao

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At the start of ww2, the united states was responsible for 60% of oil production followed by Russia and Venezuela @Flash

Congratulations, @viridian for reaching level 5!

Saudi Arabia doesnt become a significant us oil supplier until several decades later

eh

ok lets just end the debate here

because now we were derailing into like, american foreign policies

true

hopefully i changed ur mind atleast a lil bit

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I learned a lot about how much Japan hates surrendering

*taking 3 days to ultimately concede defeat after being nuked twice*

but yeah this debate was pretty educational I suppose

late to the party :(

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pls

you know, japan are extremist, one japan guy wanted to be kamikaze but can't because he have a wife and a daughter, so the wife take the daughter and jumped into ocean to suicide herself wtih her daughter in her arms...

Japanese are just suicidal that's all

yeah

but samurai ..

samurai too