*stallin

@beans how a Famine can even be "natural"

1) not an argument
2) yes it did
3) collectivization didnt stop until 7 years after the "genocide"

grimm you do realize weather exists right

🤦

stalin must've paid the clouds not to rain

Kazakhstan was literally a wasteland

@beans then if you are an expert of meteorology, then explain how was the Weather in 1932-1933 when the Holodomor Ocurred?

last year summer was incredibly warm and it didn't rain, many farms dried out and many farmers had to kill their animals because they couldn't feed them

Gtg

the weather was a drought

there was no rain

or was it our state

Gnight

for 2 years

who made it happen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union ...which happened every 10 years until stalin came to power

i can even agree that during Tsarist times, Russia was having a Famine before...

actually it was a drought every 5 years

despict Nicolas II was an incompetent Tsar

droughts existed the entirety of russian history

he even personally took control of the Russian Army, wich it ended in a incredible failure

@beans because of the weather

yes

the 1932-33 famine was the last naturally occurring famine in soviet history

the only one that came after that was in 1946 because the nazis burned russian farms

lol i just found the NKVD Hitler

ok cool

@beans send any source and proof of it

i did

scroll up

Kurwa

"The second major Soviet famine happened during the initial push for collectivization during the 30s. Major causes include the 1932–33 confiscations of grain and other food by the Soviet authorities[1] which contributed to the famine and affected more than forty million people, especially in the south on the Don and Kuban areas and in Ukraine, whereby various estimates millions starved to death or died due to famine related illness (the event known as Holodomor)"

you are still denying the Holodomor and even Wikipedia has the definition of it

nkvd hitler lol

@beans even your own source affirms the Holodomor

I will give beans this, Socialism and Communism was not given in it's original marxist form in which there is no money, so it is sort of capitalist but with a marxist spin off

you realize wikipedia is multiple sources right

socialism is what marx described as first stage communism

exactly