@Five, Seven, and Two I'm not anti-Jesus, I don't even give a fuck he exists.

@Psychedelic Corpse Fucker ... Right.

ok

ISnt a big hulking contradition to shame sluts but not to shame the men that make them so? shouldnt consecuences land on men who fuck around?

@Five, Seven, and Two I just want to see hardcore facts, which no Christian can provide to me. But It's cool, this is just beating a dead horse since you just want to reply in emojis.

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A), Men are shamed already

Oh, i see a potato here

I'll drop it.

@Psychedelic Corpse Fucker You're the one still talking about it, man.

@The-Free-Monk I I hear more praise than shame

Where do you hear this praise? MSM constantly shits on PUAs

@Psychedelic Corpse Fucker We can drop it, all I'm saying is that lessons can be learned from fiction and non-fiction alike. Sometimes the lessons from fiction are just as if not more poignant and expressive

If it means that much: Tacitus, Lucian, The Babylonian Talmud, Celsus, Pliny. I'd mention Flavius if @felldie1496 didn't see it as Fake News.

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) Men are constantly under attack, this space is more about defending men

@The-Free-Monk men openly brag about and say positive things about men that bang a lot

@frugalcasper I know

And if this is the standard for historical documentation, most world leaders and kings never existed.

@frugalcasper I'd agree with that. The lessons I can understand, and respect. Just not all the other shit. But it's all good 👍

MGTOW dont shame anyone, and we don't care about shaming language

@The-Free-Monk It was a question that popped into my head

I personally don't care much what anyone's personal sex life is so long as it doesn't affect me personally.

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If Flavius Josephus wasn't 100% true, what makes you think the other sources are?

We can't take responsibility for dumb PUA shit

It's all i'm saying.

My position is simply that masculinity is about individuality and self-reliance, and conforming unquestioningly to to a religion is unhealthy for the male mind.

@Undertow And as long as it's not illegal.

Right.

also.. fomer PUAs are the worst

But that's my way <:FuckUSmug:480186125785366528>

@SH3LLSH0CK Men also do well in situations where they work as a team for a higher power

I do, however want to avoid being in a relationship with certain types of women, for obvious reasons.

think wartime

@SH3LLSH0CK, If believing in religion is part of self actualization, you are still a MGTOW

the bonds of brotherhood are forged strong among men who come together under a righteous cause for something larger then themsevles

I've read PUA books, and let me tell you that they have a few things in common with MGTOW.

@felldie1496 If one historian isn't 100% accurate, no sources can be accurate?

Man, physics isn't real.

People were wrong about physics *a lot* through history, so I guess the whole field is a wash.

neither is Maths, right?

@Five, Seven, and Two Pretty sure that's not what he meant.