Kind of is.

Well biologically speaking yes.

It's the basic biological imperative.

But it doesn't have to be your purpose.

if ti wasn't for your parents getting you, you wouldn't have your nice mgtow life... or?

Yeah, okay, carry on.

That's not valid logic, bike.

It's not.

Children have no say in their birth.

That sounds like a logical fallacy.

They owe nothing to their parents.

^

The parents chose to reproduce and raise the child.

Deviantart, that's what I meant.

It was their choice, not the child's.

Indeed, they even choose to raise the child.

I didn't have any say in my birth.

Especially today, with abortion and safe harbor laws.

haven

whatever, you can ditch a kid at nearly any age.

i'm just saying it's the natural things go, if things were natural, which they aren't in todays world

I don't intend to bring someone else into this world, it's a beautiful place but it's also incredibly fucked up.

We are natural, bike.

Even when we're being absolute fuckers, we're nature.

^

All of this is natural, it's just a different part of nature than we expected.

Well, we have romanticized "nature"

Gotta stop doing that.

^

There is no treaty between the wolf tribe and the deer tribe to pay homage to the wolf tribe but only up to a natural balance.

so what's the meaning of this chat if we don't reproduce, why are we here? to chat and die?

It's a straight up war. The reward is you live and your children live. You lose, your reward is a selection of ugly deaths: thirst, starvation, or violence, usually.

Well, for the most part, HHH has taken an "enjoy the decline" approach and lot of the guys here agree.

I take a "make up your purpsoe" approach.

I have a list of goals that I want to achieve, that's my goal in life, to achieve those goals.

That's my version of self-actualization as far as I'm concerned.

the decline approach is depressing, but i too am on it...

I'm not.

What do you mean by "decline"?

The slow motion implosion of western civilization

I see hmmm