You have an 18 yr hobby and then you let that terror bomb into society and laugh as people try to make sense of it.

Well, imma say that's a fucked up hobby, it provides no utility.

Ironically, people do derive satisfaction from raising things.

it's kinda the meaning of life, to get a kid, teach him/her all you know then die happy...

Just look at all those artists that won't get anything more than a handful of nice things and a wall of horrible shit on discart or that weird art site that is a thing.

@Bike No it's not.

That's ***a*** meaning for life.

Kind of is.

Well biologically speaking yes.

It's the basic biological imperative.

But it doesn't have to be your purpose.

if ti wasn't for your parents getting you, you wouldn't have your nice mgtow life... or?

Yeah, okay, carry on.

That's not valid logic, bike.

It's not.

Children have no say in their birth.

That sounds like a logical fallacy.

They owe nothing to their parents.

^

The parents chose to reproduce and raise the child.

Deviantart, that's what I meant.

It was their choice, not the child's.

Indeed, they even choose to raise the child.

I didn't have any say in my birth.

Especially today, with abortion and safe harbor laws.

haven

whatever, you can ditch a kid at nearly any age.

i'm just saying it's the natural things go, if things were natural, which they aren't in todays world

I don't intend to bring someone else into this world, it's a beautiful place but it's also incredibly fucked up.

We are natural, bike.

Even when we're being absolute fuckers, we're nature.

^

All of this is natural, it's just a different part of nature than we expected.

Well, we have romanticized "nature"

Gotta stop doing that.

^

There is no treaty between the wolf tribe and the deer tribe to pay homage to the wolf tribe but only up to a natural balance.

so what's the meaning of this chat if we don't reproduce, why are we here? to chat and die?

It's a straight up war. The reward is you live and your children live. You lose, your reward is a selection of ugly deaths: thirst, starvation, or violence, usually.

Well, for the most part, HHH has taken an "enjoy the decline" approach and lot of the guys here agree.

I take a "make up your purpsoe" approach.