It's to self-actualize.

mgtow until change is smart

Good news. It's actually to make your own choices.

The community may laugh at you and disparage you, but family and reproduction and maybe even women can have some place on your priorities list.

yea, ok, mgtow monk is nice for awhile, but not forever

Congrats on having an opinion.

Many agree with you.

That sounds far more condescending than I intended.

@Bike that is true that it means giving up on several things which could be defined as "normal things" nowaday (relationships, children, marriage etc ...) but is giving up on these things necessarily a bad decision?

Arguably, do you have to give up anything other than marriage?

children are available through surrogacy and family will probably breed in one way or another.

The problem is women and the laws surrounding them.

if we give up on "marriage" it's a Brave new world, with artificial born kids, in the authority of the government

Well, we don't need to give the authority to government.

Surrogacy is modern test tube babies.

Artificial kids, maybe, but it's not worth cohabiting with a crazy

You take a pack of purchased eggs, try to fertilize them, contract some other woman to carry the child to term. You, as a man, are sole guardian and custodian of the child/children that result.

Bam, you have child and family.

And it's cheaper in the long run, you just have to have the money up front.

You can also hire a wet nurse for optimal health of your children.

i think a family needs a mother

No one is making a case that a family shouldn't.

We are saying that modern women can have kids but, for whatever reason, can't be even half decent mothers.

I agree

And with the legal powers of being a birthgiver, it doesn't make sense for men to participate in the traditional route.

We see the stats: best results are whole, healthy families. Gold standard.

But single fathers raise better children than single mothers.

yea, the laws need to change, quick!

They don't. And no one will cooperate with "reducing women's rights"

Women are destroying family. Yesterday on LinkedIn, I saw an article about a single mother getting her degree from Harvard. Many guys were asking about the dad, and a woman replied "Many women nowadays want to have kids and a career without the dad being in her, and that's perfectly fine." What a stupid mentality.

Remember, they just got laws in NY and VA to kill right as they slither out. VA actually says it gets out, it's made comfortable, and then the mother and doctor decide whether or not it lives.

There's a fuckload of momentum in the wrong way and that shit is going left so hard it might break free.

what? is it true?

They called for the governor's resignation and he straight up refused.

Xy being as authoritative as usual

But, let's face it, if you want a kid in the near future and you don't want to open up to massive risk, surrogacy is the way to go.

And if you're a single father with a family that agrees with you, you might have a small network.

Orban in hungary has some new fresh ideas, to give hungarians tax reduction per child, four kids and no income tax

I disagree on instinct.

There should be more to it than just child count.

guess he also has some ideas concering marriage laws--- don't know....