So do most people who read him.

@BigTyrone sounds like damage control! ....shit let me think a little more

we are human, all too human

Nietzsche is too good man

Which is why we quote philosophers out of context to fit our narratives.

noo....

I don't see anything wrong with that

Do what?

it's a lot of think in a statement

quote something out of context to fit your narrative, if it follows your narrative then why not quote it

And if your narrative is incorrect?

Then reality will tell me so, nothing like a good slap in the face of reality

I've always thought he was a nihilist, I need to read it myself as well

I suggest Thus Spoke Zarathustra

@BigTyrone i got your message, deep shit, still thinking, but thanks for reply

anytime i love talking about philosophy

and trying to understand things better

So the quote you made... what was the point you were using that to drive home?

going to lie in bed now like wtf

later!

GN

thanks!

@metal_mango 👋

and what quote? @Five, Seven, and Two

@BigTyrone From BG&E, the bit about compassion and suffering.

oh that suffering is a good thing, and putting yourself through hardship will make you a better man

a higher man obtains his goals through suffering

That's what you took away from it?

i mean yeah how else?

I was thinking that earlier today.

So the part you pulled from is his dismantling Schopenhauer's "altruistic men act solely out of altruism" argument and your response is to make Schopenhauer's same logical fallacy, but in the opposite direction, that suffering is necessarily good.

Life is pain and suffering. In order to survive you must endure and overcome.

i think there's more to it than that... but maybe the frogs are gay now

It's a caution against the suffering of others being your drive and refuting that moralism requires you *must* be a "good" or "selfless" person to do good things.

no I dont think that all suffering is necessarily good

Pain and suffering is necessary, but yes it isnt necessarily good or evil either

I said if you want to achieve your goals, it will require suffering and that suffering will be good for you after you've achieved your goal

I agree with that

like coding there are libraries, those libraries were built by others who "suffered"

Self inflicted suffering for self improvement

we code on top of them