ah I see

the military is simply to obey, and as i said they are a tool

sorry @Germanmgtow going into a debate about how the military is not a gang

I know, which is also a major difference to gangs.

or fundamental as you put it

its very much centered in the ideas of service to others, the country, and those around them, and of course sacrifice and honour

which is what gang deep down is too, except for country

its fundamental because these traits, values and methods of operation are at the core of how the military functions and is formed

There are traits and values in gangland too mate

combined with its purpose it is completely different

not to the same extent or application

Since gangs don't take orders from corrupt officials?

its something you have to experience to understand

Possibly, so is gangs mate

said corrupt officials are usually members too or middlemen for another higher member or ruling gang

Now you are getting to my point

the military is a seperate entity from the government

at the end of the day they obey and are either a knife or a hammer

They are not mate, the government makes the rules they have to obey. They also gives the orders where to go

a tool to prevent outside forces from beyond the nation from using force to interfere with the nations affairs

depends more on the system of government

So you think a gang member that is used for contract killings are just a tool, and have no personal responsibility?

rules of engegement are usually predetermined by the military itself, unlawful orders and all, besides a smart governing body doesn't interfere directly in the militaries affairs internally often if they know whats good for them

'smart' and 'governing body' is usually oxymoron

the context and conditions under which said killing takes place is the difference, after all the target of a military campain is usually well armed and determined to kill you aswell

the difference is a state of war or conflict between two powers

usually, ignoring terrorists

they are a bag of debate in themselves

indeed the smart government oxymoron might be right but they know it is not wise to interfere too much

It is the same as gangs operate, ignoring nations

therefore terrorists are more like gangs than anything

You mean the founding fathers of the US, or are you talking about a different set?

western militaries all operate in a very similar manner so there isn't a large differnece

their purpose, operation and function are all the same at the core

I an not currently living in a western country

internal higherarchy structure differences aside

then how they conduct themselves there might very well be gang like

but it is different here

and I am not talking about gangs in any western country

are you refering to something more like the triad or yakuza?

No, don't have anything to do with,except I know some triad members