Avoiding divorce becomes a job of itself, full of deception

I'm not too angry at JP. He speaks off the cuff a lot

@conker yup

Jp is actually a smart guy though.

He's just not always right

Used to like Ben Shapiro. But now i realize that guy is tradcuck overload. Worse than JP

@frugalcasper haha, yeah, they got divorced,
and the PUA say, they didn't hold enough frame
or more in general, the men didn't hold enough frame if they get divorced 😂 😂 😂

You didn't realize he was a tradcon?

He's been pretty transparent about it since forever.

Really?

@conker I totally get that people need/want money but PUAs always seem so scummy to me

They are the worst?

Agree

What did Ben Shapiro even offer as a solution to all this shite around us anyways?

Most of these tradcons just say how it is and nothing else

Individuals from a dead era.

Worse than feminists murdering children after birth and calling it abortion?

After birth?

@frugalcasper yeah agree
that's why I liked roosh,
his site was the least scammy and roosh is actually very sensible, I like his articles and podcasts

he is totally different from the other pua

Tradcons are still playing pong on the Atari. Stuck in the past

But yeah abortion is murder

Doesn't mean it should be legal.

@Xychotic Hold on.

with leftists I'm actually ok ...
such people/idiots shouldn't have children anyway

*holds on...*

It wouldn't be right to make abortion illegal.

@conker I'll be honest, I have no idea who the dude is but I was just speaking on PUAs in general. If this Roosh dude was a PUA in the past he's probably not that honest of a man though he could be right on a lot of subjects

they'd still spread their genes ... also not that good

Maybe we don't legalize 28 weeks or later abortion. Or, "give birth to it, go talk to the doctor, and then smother it" abortion?

Honestly, what exactly is the problem with murder? What makes murder wrong?

The glaring issue is our society even having *abortion* as a serious discussion

I would rather no one have children. More research on artificial wombs. Takes value away from wamen

you didn't see people in the 50s arguing about this shit

lol

That's because a woman arguing to be allowed to murder her children would have been put in a looney bin.

@bethekiwi The 50's had their own issues.

Can i join?

What makes murder wrong. Well, at its core, you are taking something from someone else without permission.

The problem with outlawing abortion is that it won't stop people from doing it anyway.

@Psychedelic Corpse Fucker yeah I'm not saying there weren't; I'm just comparing eras about abortion

@frugalcasper yeah, Ive got no problem with that ;)
I can send links to some of his good clips / insights / articles

many mgtow say, that he is ok, and the best sign for that is, that they call him a mgtow, without the label ...

his former pua things, they weren't that sleazy
and he didn't sell any courses, etc

he had only books, the forum and his ROK site