lmao

Peter Hitchens years ago on advising young people in the UK he said" just leave the country."

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@Thomas O'Malley idk why you are so whiny, you are doing way better than western europe

"we are doomed"

anything that comes from the UK is the staff of pure Orwellian horror

why do you think 1984 came out of the UK?

America is only 60% white.

counting Italians out i see.

Also, Europe doesn't have the same tradition of democracy as America.

Europe doesn't have vigilant patriots

There is no way to vote ourselves out of this mess.

and second amendment

Vigilant patriots who don't do anything but talk.

Trump doesn't do anything but tweet.

shooting up places isn't the answer

running for congress and trying to change even if it's not successful is

Europeans could overthrow their corrupt leaders and install dictators because they have been democracies for only about a century, if that long.

overthrow with what

Americans are too squeamish and too supportive of democracy.

we are just going to receive new leaders every four years or so

democracy is an institution with high variability among countries, the idea a Swiss has of democracy and its implementation is different from that of an Italian, a Brit, a Russian

Europe has a tradition of kings. America has a tradition of presidents. A king can stop this nonsense. A president can't.

the reason is that Europe has true nations binding them with thousands of years of tradition

what's the alternative to democracy? Benevolent dictatorship? I'm no constitutional scholar but i'm sure that was not what the founding fathers intended @Thomas O'Malley

whereas the US only has the constitution and consumerism.

The country the founding fathers intended has transformed into a giant shopping mall.

i'll repeat my question: What's the alternative to democracy?

because 200 years of constitution just don't cut it when it comes to the metaphysical meaning that thousands of years of tradition from episcopalians to catholics to buddhists have bestowed on the individual comprising units of the american people.

because doing anything else is spitting in the face of your so beloved constitution (not that the hacks in capitol hill aren't)

Nearly anything else.

@Largezo112 plato's philosopher kings

The constitution doesn't mean anything anymore.

It's funny that you like democracy as long as you are winning but when you are losing you suddenly long for a benevolent dictator

and if the left does that you call them nuts

so what binds this american "nation" as a nation except for starbucks and apple? nothing. dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed.

What? I never liked democracy. I'm not Ted Cruz.

Democracy is bad even when "my side" is winning.

@Largezo112 contradiction in terms, the left doesn't have anything benevolent in them.

for individual rights and freedoms such as religion and speech it's the least worst option

concentrating power no matter how smart of well-wishing the individual is never works out