You're like, "I want diabetes. But I also want to have to work for it."

That depends on the age of the child and the amount of intellectual input they receive from parental figures, peers and mentors

children are very short term, meaning fully in the now, thinkers. Thinking a few steps ahed is part of maturing. Adults need to guide children and teach them.

That's nonsense.

Just look at the insightful activities of the children as documented in The Lord of the Flies.

Lord of the Flies is a very extreme example

parents keep children from learning things the hard way

I dunno about that

My parent's didn't teach me about electricity.

I learned about that playing with exposed wires.

I don't think that it depends on the age of the child because to me thinking ahead is one of the defining characteristics of adulthood so to the degree that someone can successfully plan ahead can they be considered an adult. In other words while someone who is not legally an adult can have adult traits that does not mean the trait is not adult defining.

@Xychotic proved my point

electric shocks ora slap to the back of the head

@metal_mango pretty sure that was the opposite of proving your point, but okay

doesn't matter families are fucked anyway

muslim families are sticking together

@Xychotic are you trolling? because metal_mango said that parents keep children from learning things the hardway and then you gave an example of learning things the hardway.

I'm clearly indicating that my parents *did not* keep me from learning the hard way.

right so they weren't parenting in that example

as in that is a parents job, does not mean that they always do it.

role of a good parent i meant

Clarification achieved.

ya I understand what the confusion was now.

Well, in defense of my parents, I also had a habit of jumping out of cars and falling off bikes.

If there is a God, he definitely was testing their patience, my resilience, and may very well have wanted me dead.

But, not terribly enthusiastically.

ya some kids are harder to parent than others. I have a cousin that was in and out of emergency rooms as a kid and it was not my aunt's fault.

But everyone blamed her?

no

That's good.

he was just hell bent on hurting himself or had a serious case of not giving any fucks

Is he dead?

he now had a daughter just like him

so no not dead

Does he have the no pain disorder?

but he is almost 40 and walks like a 70 year old man from all of his injuries.

IDK about that

Oh, so he's in plenty of pain?

Excellent.

I was just looking into how to go about getting a surrogate.

@batshadow you play guitar?