Not "a long time" but literally billions of years.

that's a given

long time is relative my dude. I didn't mean it on a human scale

You are dismissing *billions of years* as if that's even a time scale that means anything to you as a human.

That doesn't dispute the fact that all humans die just like a star does or a super nova. Literally all I was saying, but you were just like no we aren't no we arent. Define consciousness then.

I think we agree

I didn't dismiss energy or history of the origin of energy.

Wait, what?!

Define consciousness after I was talking about energy and stars?

I have better things to do than try to make sense to someone that can't grasp the basics of critical thought.

You started talking about how we just KNOW what the systems of operation are of the creation and death of stars

We do!

We don't!

O.o

*You* don't.

We have some of an understanding

Science has it pretty well figured out.

we don't know what created the universe

The most important tid bit lol

ffs, we don't presume to know.

Giving it a language and our understanding of it, does not give the actual event a true sense of what it truly is in nature. Nature isn't our understanding of it.

but we do know the reaction that creates stars

And not really the... you know what... I'm out of patience.

and we understand their death

At least we currently have models that explain them but those models are subject to change. If science has taguth humanity anything it's that we haven't a fucking clue

Are we or aren't we nature, we are the only thing in the univers THAT WE KNOW OF that is able to give a language to the origin of the universe and how it operates.

Newtonian gravity took us a long way but wasn't sufficient to explain what happens at blackholes and when blackholes interact

So why is consciousness not a part of reality, which WAS disputed.

or rather a reality that we CREATED

We didn't choose to think.

We don't know of any other intelligent life, no

We are born with an ability to try and understand the world without anything asking us to.

The model of space-time is actually very young. We will see if it lasts

Scientists even had to come up with the concept of dark energy to prop it up

Yup, we are born with the capacity to figure thinigs out

Understanding stars brought humans to the REALITY of CREATING nuclear weapons. Regardless of good or bad or what is or isnt. Energy was spent to bring utter destruction to the only place that we know of that can experience the universe.

Lol, pretty much

stars had to die in order to populate the universe with the raw materials to make us and nuclear bombs

Dark energy is a strange concept. Don't we have a form of dark matter inside of us?

I don't know

Oh it's a hypothetical concept