Message from @Seven Of Swords

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2018-09-02 06:43:34 UTC  

So, that begs the question. If any argument can be made to be so strong that it becomes increasingly more difficult, if not impossible to point to a false premise, why believe in any argument?

2018-09-02 06:44:57 UTC  

And on the flip side, if one argument can be looked at as having all true premises and a true conclusion, yet any premise can be objected as being false, how can any argument be truly said to be sound?

2018-09-02 06:45:56 UTC  

Validity: an argument is valid if and only if the premises do not yield a false conclusion.

2018-09-02 06:46:33 UTC  

Soundness: an argument is sound if and only if all of the premises being true necessitate the conclusoin being true.

2018-09-02 06:47:04 UTC  

The problem here is that we have no idea if any premises of any argument are actually true so long as any premise of any argument can be objected as false.

2018-09-02 06:47:49 UTC  

In order for a premise of any argument to be true, it must rule out any and all possibility of it being false.

2018-09-02 06:48:47 UTC  

But, since it is not the case that any argument can rule out any of its premises are not false, we have a problem.

2018-09-02 06:49:12 UTC  

It remains to be seen if even a God(s) could solve this issue...

2018-09-02 06:51:03 UTC  

P> Q
Q>R
R>S
S>T
Therefore, T

2018-09-02 06:51:28 UTC  

Yet, even the first premise of the argument can be objected as being false.

2018-09-02 06:53:10 UTC  

Okay so how do you apply that to Peterson’s argument

2018-09-02 06:53:46 UTC  

Well... if you want to apply that to Peterson's argument, just plug and chug lol

2018-09-02 06:55:01 UTC  

He makes several claims attempting to defend the truth of scripture, yet when he claims truth, he cannot rule out every objection to any premise of his argument as not being false.

2018-09-02 06:56:23 UTC  

For example, let's say that premise 1 has a probability of being 5% false. Well, so long as there is a probability of a premise being false, it by definition cannot be true because true premises are not possible to be false.

2018-09-02 06:58:23 UTC  

A probability of a thing is simply the margin of error that can be allowed, and as long as there is a margin of error, we cannot know if anything in an argument is true because the supposed truth value of a premise would need to be independent of any error margin.

2018-09-02 06:59:44 UTC  

In other words, to say that something is true is to suggest that there are no other possibilities for it to not be the case... yet if there is always the possibility for it to not be the case, then it is not independent of any and all margins of error.

2018-09-02 06:59:53 UTC  

Quite the paradox...

2018-09-02 07:01:39 UTC  

Peterson attempted to use field data found by Jane Goodall as a building block of a metaphysics, yet metaphysics is just as specious as epistemology, logic, and ethics.

2018-09-02 07:02:48 UTC  

Let me ask this of the metaphysicians... 1) why does metaphysics matter? 2) what exactly is supposed to be different when analyzing and comparing differing metaphysical theories?

2018-09-02 07:04:14 UTC  

With regards to my second question concerning the metaphysicians, I would also like to inquire into how exactly it is that there are differing metaphysics and what exactly is supposed to happen if I were to accept one over another?

2018-09-02 07:05:39 UTC  

For example, if I were to accept or believe Aristotle's hylomorphism compared to Cartesian Dualism or even a Materialism, all the while holding a cup in my hand, how does any of that change the cup?

2018-09-02 07:08:36 UTC  

If the cup is only able to be consistently constituted within a framework of hylomorphism because it "makes more sense" than if it were constituted under a framework of Cartesian Dualism, why does it matter, if the cup still looks the same, feels the same, and I can drink from it the same no matter what metaphysical label I decide to buy into while using it?

2018-09-02 07:09:25 UTC  

What exactly is supposed to change depending upon what metaphysical lens or label I decide to apply?

2018-09-02 07:09:44 UTC  

Just my thoughts lmao

2018-09-02 07:14:04 UTC  

@Ajay I honestly don't like what Peterson ever really says. He relies too much on an authoritative outlook of psychology and for that his arguments are weak, for any and all authority can be questioned.

2018-09-02 07:15:05 UTC  

Wow

2018-09-02 07:16:27 UTC  

I’m not sure I can respond to that lol but uh, nice philosophy lesson

2018-09-02 07:16:29 UTC  

I also think that he is too trad as well lmao

2018-09-02 07:16:37 UTC  

Don't worry about a response.

2018-09-02 07:16:44 UTC  

Yes, too trad

2018-09-02 07:16:48 UTC  

I'm tired anyway

2018-09-02 07:18:11 UTC  

It was good chatting with you, my dude.

2018-09-02 07:18:18 UTC  

Yeah for sure!

2018-09-02 07:18:20 UTC  

gtg

2018-09-02 07:18:25 UTC  

See ya later

2018-09-02 07:18:34 UTC  

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2018-09-02 07:18:41 UTC  

YT?

2018-09-02 07:18:43 UTC  

yep

2018-09-02 07:18:49 UTC  

Gotcha

2018-09-02 07:19:03 UTC  

i only have 6 right now, but I will be back eventually

2018-09-02 07:19:21 UTC  

Okay will do 👍