But everyone is not MGTOW

Tis quite the reverse, few are MGTOW

Dude, MGTOW aren't even really MGTOW... they just make themselves believe that they are.

>men going their own way

>have to live on wages of arbitrary paper strips in order to survive

ok

if that's what you think MGTOW is you clearly don't get it

Enlighten me.

Is it survival like what they all say?

Self-actualization?

Being weary of female nature?

Simply just not getting married?

All of those things?

MGTOW is independence from external validation

Validation. Nobody talked about living in no woods and shiiET

I would say MGTOWs statistically have a higher earning potential

The average dudes who lived in books in high school, who looked at school as gladiator pits.

Since most humans don't learn from other's mistakes, only a fraction of such men will actually avoid marriage

Most will get burned and learn the hard way

Few will see the Matrix for what it is. Those few are the ones who will have an earthly paradise. Even if society is decaying and burning down around them

And yes, all the above

Make sense?

If you don't understand I recommend you find the nearest road whore and get married to her, you will learn da wae very quickly @Seven Of Swords

Ok... so you can see marriage for the sham that it is, but not the very social mechanisms that create a space for men to call themselves MGTOW in the first place? You don't see the contradictions that many ideas proposed by MGTOW claim, yet their own actions say otherwise?

You talk an awful lot about people not being able to see the Matrix, yet you defend it by suggesting that men can be free in a world where they have to be wage slaves for the sake of "earning potentials".

Peak false-consciousness and make believe.

As for the "external validation" bits, if a man wants to seek higher earning potentials, yet has to be validated via the other, then he must internalize an idea of how the other thinks about him in order to achieve his own success. That is simply another contradiction. You claim that MGTOW liberated men from "external validation", yet in order to even participate in a social system to afford to pay rent, buy clothes, food, etc. a man must seek validation from his employer.

As I said, please seek your local road whore and get married. All your questions shall be answered in time

As soon as a man thinks "I hope my boss will give me that raise", his claim of freedom from external validation is forfeit.

You're monologuing dude

@Longshanks Marrying a woman is totally non-sequitur to what I am talking about. My point is that even when a man rejects to get married, his freedom is still denied. He is simply drawing attention from one set of chains to another...

@Longshanks Good. A Well thought out response is often times lengthy.

No... you're asking rhetorical questions. Then answering them yourself. You're not discoursing, your making a speech

What is the criterion that can be offered to demarcate between a discourse that is simply lengthy vs one that is simply a speech, as you have suggested?

MGTOW is an idea, and no man "liberates" another. Only a man can liberate himself. And I'm not talking about "Universal freedom" for there is no such thing. Clearly the context of MGTOW is female nature. Since culture and industry use female nature as shackles, understanding and navigating her nature is very advantageous for a man

So MGTOW, in your opinion, is simply men protecting themselves from gynocentrism?

All I'm saying is you have to allow the other side to respond to your prepositions (because they are based on a premise)

holy shit Itachi is getting straight up roasted in HHH's recent video with him comments

???

Yes MGTOW is a philisophy for understanding gynocentrism

Perhaps an understanding of MGTOW as only being a way to understand gynocentrism is simply necessary for defining MGTOW, but not sufficient. For example, there is the whole malaise, if you will that comes along after taking the "red-pill".