@Little_Bob_69 How so? How about other systems that can work significantly better and make you more free all the while still providing for what you want?

There is no perfect system, after all, humans are corrupt

@Seven Of Swords that's our current system. MGTOW is literally paradise mindset

@Little_Bob_69 Really? Is it that we are corrupt, or perhaps that we unknowingly create our own corruption?

@Longshanks How is MGTOW any different from being an "opium of the masses" while men simply watch as their social, economic, and political systems corrode? What happens when men are not able to be go their own way because they end up homeless, or they can;t find a job, or they are simply tired with playing the society game for the sake of money?

Do you know what the role of a Sensei is in eastern teachings? @Seven Of Swords

When a student is in folly, the teacher does not tell the student they are in folly

The teacher edifies the folly

Accelerates it

MGTOW is the sensei for society

That makes no sense, but ok.

If every man is going his own way, no man is a student to another, by definition.

But everyone is not MGTOW

Tis quite the reverse, few are MGTOW

Dude, MGTOW aren't even really MGTOW... they just make themselves believe that they are.

>men going their own way

>have to live on wages of arbitrary paper strips in order to survive

ok

if that's what you think MGTOW is you clearly don't get it

Enlighten me.

Is it survival like what they all say?

Self-actualization?

Being weary of female nature?

Simply just not getting married?

All of those things?

MGTOW is independence from external validation

Validation. Nobody talked about living in no woods and shiiET

I would say MGTOWs statistically have a higher earning potential

The average dudes who lived in books in high school, who looked at school as gladiator pits.

Since most humans don't learn from other's mistakes, only a fraction of such men will actually avoid marriage

Most will get burned and learn the hard way

Few will see the Matrix for what it is. Those few are the ones who will have an earthly paradise. Even if society is decaying and burning down around them

And yes, all the above

Make sense?

If you don't understand I recommend you find the nearest road whore and get married to her, you will learn da wae very quickly @Seven Of Swords

Ok... so you can see marriage for the sham that it is, but not the very social mechanisms that create a space for men to call themselves MGTOW in the first place? You don't see the contradictions that many ideas proposed by MGTOW claim, yet their own actions say otherwise?

You talk an awful lot about people not being able to see the Matrix, yet you defend it by suggesting that men can be free in a world where they have to be wage slaves for the sake of "earning potentials".

Peak false-consciousness and make believe.

As for the "external validation" bits, if a man wants to seek higher earning potentials, yet has to be validated via the other, then he must internalize an idea of how the other thinks about him in order to achieve his own success. That is simply another contradiction. You claim that MGTOW liberated men from "external validation", yet in order to even participate in a social system to afford to pay rent, buy clothes, food, etc. a man must seek validation from his employer.

As I said, please seek your local road whore and get married. All your questions shall be answered in time

As soon as a man thinks "I hope my boss will give me that raise", his claim of freedom from external validation is forfeit.