the gap between blue and red is really wide after all

But to come back to the origins of this conversations it still doesn't justify your behavior acting like a child in a ongoing dialogue pushing this agenda in one direction. Moreover you should just leave this channel and live in your own concept of MGTOW if you are not open minded to accept other concepts and beliefs which makes you just as close minded as any hardcore-leftwing

how many subs you have?

I would if there is something specific to talk about

@MadShangi You literally tried to sabotage a conversation by mirroring others peoples words in a high pitched voice. Dont act like a literate now

Mgtow is individual

Soo you can't say what is a 100% Mgtow and what not

see and then we'd either disagree and the conversation goes no where, or I state that very quickly because its not really complicated to answer

Not true.

I invented mgtow and I say married men can be mgtow

that would be like calling a grown man a criminal because of something he did as a child

married guys who get the red pill while married, likely wouldnt got married if they knew before they were married

owning is the state of something belonging ones self

owning your way is as individual as it gets. If that strikes you create a Movement called "Men Without Marriage"

MGTOW is trying to raise awareness of the risks involved with marriage and cohibation. If one is willing to take the risk so be it

if many people watch your channel, I'm sure they'd agree with me when I say that

So why is having sex mgtow

sex has nothing to do with cohabitation?

listen mate, I had enough of women telling me what I can and cant do as a normal blue pilled guy, so now that I'm thinking for myself, as a MGTOW, I be damned if a man tell me what I can and cant do as a red pilled guy

"the state of living together and having a sexual relationship without being married."

so be it, you are obviously not experienced with women

i wild end this discussion here and opt out, goodbye

the dynamics for having sex by itself involves the sexual market place, which is controlled by women. So you're definition of MGTOW is controlled by women basically

you cant be MGTOW unless women approve of you, alright, roger

One last thing a wise 50 year old man gave me yesterday that you can think of and which will oppose you multiple times in life is :

"Men trade power for sex, Women trade sex for power" its that simple.

didnt you say MGTOW isnt celibacy?

Dunno why you bother talking to this insane cuck

but then that means your value as a MGTOW is tied to the sexual marketplace

which is undeniably controled by women

women decide who reproduce

do they not?

if no woman wants to fuck you, guess what? No woman is going to fuck you

no no, that is demionstrating the sexual marketplace is controled by women

is it not? So then your concept of being MGTOW is controled BY WOMEN

and now you've flown completely out of the boundaries I just set for the argument, but until you answer that, everything you say is pretty much null and void

you cant be incel and a MGTOW? But being incel is directly related to your SMV, sexual marketplace. I just demonstrated the sexual market place is controled by women. So now you must answer me, how does you justify your definition of MGTOW when it is indirectly controled by women?

you still havnt answered the question

so what you're saying is, you cant be MGTOW unless your SMV is 6 and up

go build you alpha mgtow army on your youtube channel but please stop spamming here

mate, after you completely failed the argument I presented to you, you might as well go be a PUA at this point

fucking tied down to his ability to get laid, it is bloody sad