so unless you have a burning and everlasting desire to save people who are not high on the iq scale who can always sue you and transfer to you their plague id recommend the trades

@Pacific_Twist I work in systems engineering/devops in technology and I love it but I too always felt torn between medicine (surgeon) and engineering. I think it comes down to - do you want to save lives in an operational role or do you want to build/create systems? Now, you could build medical software/hardware as an engineer, too, and inadvertently heal people. Writing software that makes doctors more efficient is my end goal and MAYBE that will scale better than a career as a doctor. I never had that burning desire to heal people but it was always in the back of my mind. I may have made the wrong choice but I will keep going down this path since I have my BS and 6 years experience in the field by 2020.

I agree with @Commanda Knuckel about medicine from the little experience I have. I shadowed nurses, ER and doctors only twice in my life but I have 2 nursing friends and one physician assistant friend who decided it's not worth the time/energy/financial cost of more school.

Biomedical engineering is viable but it's very niche and from what I've heard requires a masters to really be seen as hirable since it's market is smaller. A mechanical/software engineer who also works in medicine would give you a wider market for your skills.

Biomedical/medical is also extremely female-dominated.

and i just say to my artist colleagues that i learned my body proportions and anatomy from medical 😄

That's awesome 😉

How much schooling did you go through before cutting losses @Commanda Knuckel?

Or are you still in it?

still in

What is your end goal?

Surgery has been the only medicine to appeal to me. I may be a sociopath.

I know this is controversial but outside surgery I don't value doctors very much haha. Most everything else is behavioral after that.

I agree. The thing is I’m a medic in the military and being a doctor was about research for me. The prospect of getting sued or “attempting” to heal is something that seems futile. As in, providing care to someone and letting them know it’s there diet or lifestyle that’s causing this but all they’d want are pills.

there is a sanatorium thingie 100m from my house in the forest where i have my greenhouse, beehives and hotel 😄

@Commanda Knuckel Oh that is cool!

For sure surgery. Docs are aces at plugging, closing, and mending.

End goal...

@Pacific_Twist Thank you for your service!

Good shit. I'm glad we're of similar mind to that.

I keep thinking genetics/AI (machine learning) I’m just not sure on the viability of it

I still think about going to school to become a surgeon lol.

my professors offer me to teach me but i was an artist before medicine and i will be one after it

🤙🏼 np I did it to heal and provide care to people defending my country.

Honestly, I suggest starting online courses for free in statistics, probability, linear algebra, python, R, machine learning and then try to solve kaggle problems.

Hmm

@Commanda Knuckel What will your day job be?

doc

@Pacific_Twist As a medic, becoming a surgeon would make the most sense if you really felt like it.

@Commanda Knuckel What kind?

@Pacific_Twist You can try programming and machine learning for free to see if you like it.

Machine learning / genetics will be less building and more analysis, as well.

You'll be gathering data, ingesting it, cleaning it, making models and applying the data to the models and communicating what you find.

Makes sense.

Market-wise; surgeon is obviously best but ML engineer in whatever industry you desire (genetics) is definitely good too. You'll want a BS/MS in Computer Science if you want to be senior level. You could go with just BS but it will be harder to make 250k+ at FAANG type companies.

I expected as much and that’s honestly what I’m looking for. There’s so many applications for AI. 3D printing is getting more advanced with metal printers

Plus bio printing

@Commanda Knuckel Did you always know you wanted to practice medicine?

my dad being a surgeon i have actual practice and 3 solo operations of joint replacement BUT its no good being the best in whatever if your kid ends up like me being with chronic disease obstructing vision due to neglect

@Pacific_Twist We're at a time in history where there are unlimited options. Looking within yourself to truly find what would make you happy is the tough part. I am struggling with that currently so this topic is great for me lol.

@Commanda Knuckel Oh, do you have a chronic disease?