You know mgtows could actually do something in the real world I've just started thinking about

@°°° Eh they are different, but at the end of the day new testament god would still send you to hell. Even if you were good.

@Atomic Andy I will have to figure it out for myself. I may return to it.

@Punished Korgoth only if you didn't accept christ as your savior

If we started like our own little town. It would be equivalent to the deal with the amish

Regardless if I convert or not, I'm going to hell. I've accepted that.

Just saying

@Punished Korgoth in old testament, sacrifices were made in conjunction with repentance, jesus is/was the ultimate sacrifice, so there was a shift in how god handled things.

@The Pathfinder Ω I'm not gonna get preachy but I disagree

I believe their is a simple explanation for the genocide aspect to the old testament, before the flood man was engaged is genetic tampering much like we are now and it was nessicary for God to send the flood to wipe out the tampered dna while preserving the few humans who's code was not fucked

@Atomic Andy I've seen and done things that will get me there. I'll do far worse when it's Collapse time.

Keep in mind I am sociopathic.

@Reaper I see you what mean. But the bible still advocated for plunder, rape and murder. Sure It was logical to sometimes do that (more resources for your tribe, more babies etc)but its still immoral and it was used for survival but sometimes greed as well. most times at least.

@The Pathfinder Ω fair enough, but as long as you have faith you will be saved, and your sins will be forgiven, at least that's how I interpret it

not necessarily a bad thing

@°°° Still though, god knowing everything means he could easily have found another way. No need to murder jesus and make unecessary sacrifices

@Punished Korgoth now your getting into the reasons I never quite trusted religion

@Atomic Andy What I'll do in the collapse will be seen as Crimes against God, not just humanity. Not believing will be the "nicest" thing I do.

@The Pathfinder Ω a psychiatry proffessor of mine told me once
"this is not defining"
and despite he was wrong i made it so he is right 😄

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon When did you wake up? and how? I found channels like The amazing atheist and darkmatter2525

The bible does not advocate for rape, plunder yes at times and also murder but with justification, religion is a scam no doubt but that does not disqualify the bible itself

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@Punished Korgoth it didn't require a YouTube channel to wake me up about that. To be honest, I questioned religion from the very beginning of my childhood. I use to get spanked a lot by my parents for the questionings I made

The bible is a 2000+ year old book which has somehow maintained relevance and it warrants examination on that fact alone

Didn't the bible say "claim the women you capture as your own" or something like that?

The spankings only furthered my doubts

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon I actually doubted before youtube. However the youtube channels i mentioned really drove me towards atheism.

@Punished Korgoth atheism is a religion as well though

how so?

It is not dogmatic in anyway

@Punished Korgoth well see that's the thing with me.......I don't trust aethiesm either

and it has no god or being to worship

No God can still be a religion

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon Why not?

are you more agnostic?

@Punished Korgoth because to truly back evolution their are aspects which cannot be proven and you have to "believe"

I don't think god is a scam, but I do recognize that organized religion, is, and the bible has been translated and transcribed to the point that it's not 100% accurate but I do believe in Jesus, God, and many of the lessons in the bible

I've gone through these atheists communities and they sperg out just as much as Christians but in the opposite direction

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@Kaiser Dion Napoleon agreed

I see "God" as a way to control people through an idea, lazily.