It's just most guys will not have those genetics.

they call that love because its what their biology tells them to do: bond to resources

Correct <@396901899724521482>

<@396901899724521482> I never said it was amoral.
But womens love is conditional. The divorce rate speaks volumes to this. Silver divorces speak volumes to this. Single motherhood rates speak volumes to this.

While not amoral it is artifical and conditional

To them, it would be immoral to not lock down the greatest source of resources for them and their children.

That's how you're describing it

amoral and immoral are different.

It's their nature it's to further a species

And, no, women are not very good at morals.

<@396901899724521482> Fair enough, but I am describing it how it is. And nature is Amoral. Make no mistake. If rape works for reproducing nature will favor rape.

Someone said earlier, black pill eventually doesn't even matter to black pill. That's true. It was painful to digest, that we are just meat puppets, but it ends up very liberating, because I stopped pretending and beating myself up for not being some ideal person.

I would disagree

But to each their own morals

It's still moral. To them.

It's moral to me it just shouldn't be lied about

amoral - a meaning without and moral. Nature has no morality. It is only concerned with who passes on their genes and who does not.

Nature isn't even concerned about that.

What if we are God's unwanted step-children? so be it. We don't need him. --Fight Club

Enh, I'm a chill atheist.

<@396901899724521482> I'm curious about what parts of mgtow you'd agree with if you're against all these things

I don't need some man in the sky to tell me how to behave. There's perfectly rational, secular arguments to not be an absolute fuck knuckle.

immoral is the negation of morality. That is specifically going against morality as apposed to amoralitys lack of morality. There is overlap but they are different.

Well, if men define morality, then women are often immoral.

bonding is usually for a reason

We identify value in production over consumption, loyalty rather than mercenary, integrity or opportunism.

Why do you think that statistics arising then if not their biology

And the little ladies, when left unchecked, tend toward consumption, mercenary, and opportunism.

Wait, what conclusions do you disagree with?

Taking rights away and hypergamy it seems

Those aren't mgtow, those are more black pill and red pill rage responses.

Again mgtow is a philosophy

That is about men self actualizing

Not taking rights away

Yeah, none of those are core mgtow premises. Everything about mgtow is in the name.

it's the ultimate act of agency

It's beautiful.

what bothers me is how do we leave the talk about hypergamy and start talking about self actualization?

separate the red pill rage and black pills from mgtow core.

men going their own way.

chill people