becareful

he will call you a troll

that's what happened to me

pua's "advice" is geared to "get the girl"

if they were offering general self-improvement, it would be marketed as such

so they're still keeping people on the plantation

even though they are fully aware of the adverse affects

hence SNAKE-OIL.

how so?

your whole argument is, they're not con-men because they teach you to get the girl.

when that's the problem in the first place.

i did, i just don't agree with your simplistic view.

if you buy into pua's and that's what you're about, good for you

you're right, i assumed by your defense of it that you subscribe to that methodology.

of?

that was not my point at all.

LMAO

how so?

they're selling a product in a market where men have the most to lose and you continue to say/infer that it helps men develop social skills

you also said women are the greatest motivators for men

"they're selling a product in a market where men have the most to lose" read that part again

please and thank you

hence the snake-oil part

men have the most to lose and they're selling a product that puts most in disadvantageous positions

because you don't know what snake-oil is

here's a definition

"a product, policy, etc. of little real worth or value that is promoted as the solution to a problem."

i'm not going to argue semantics with you

first it was about self-improvement

You learn social skills be being social and learning from your mistakes

and you've changed your stance to it's about getting girls

you invalidated your original point

by stating that women were the end goal.

to stay on the plantation

which i established earlier

lmao, why are you trying to defend pua's in a mgtow discord?
is the better question

you're right, that's merely inferred

Playing Devils Advocate?

if pua's know that the plantation exist and they sell material to keep men on the plantation, that makes them con men

which was my original point.

That's true.