Just speaking historically

you assume that the goal is a-priori true and a given and therefore the things necessary to achieve it are morally necessary

but the goal is not a-priori true and a given

it's arbitrarily chosen

and any other goal can be arbitrarily chosen

i want to, but why would i do so if it means i have to do so in some specific way

if imma take on the burden of caring for some dipshits kids, then im doing it my way

what if I want my PC to be a cupholder

then the ideal place to put the RAM is very different

Its instinctual not moral

Wanting to advance and have children is a base instinct

following instinct is not necessarily good

you choose it as a good

I'm not saying its good.

Its amoral

Its nature

any justification you choose to use has alternatives

no matter what

there is no necessary point of view

humanity is a disease on this planet, humans alone are the direct cause the extinction of over 9,000 different species

^

Those species weren't strong enough to make it

if were going by whats moral, humans need to be removed

yes but there is a right and wrong

we are a tumor

Its not our fault they didn't wipe us out

right and wrong are necessarily determined by your arbitrarily chosen ideals

They should have been smarter and stronger

they cant wipe.us out

were a malignant tunor

IF YOU WANT TO LIVE THIS WAY then right and wrong are XYZ

>the species we killed were not strong enough, therefore, we should not feel remorse

there is always an arbitrarily chosen goal which precedes morality

Humans will be wiped out or set back pretty soon now

good, because im going to contribute

the goal is engrained into us

by nature

fuck humanity

lol

no, it's not

yes