I think the internet could suffice to get both things done. We'll see.

when I was learning I was homeschooled, for part of that mom used a system that put us kids in a sort of cubeical with a work book that we could do as much of as we wanted, with a minimum goal over a certain term.

I feel like it worked really well for me and schools would do well to make things like that more of an option.

not to mention that a blew through the science workbooks until they just became more math.

The issue is that they believe people's general knowledge can be trained over the course of many years so as to improve their lives significantly, and this is why they argue that all children should receive the same "basic" (lol, more like bloated) level of education, and that of course must be granted by tax money.

In reality, this steals years from children's lives and does little to nothing to prepare them for life. But that's irrelevant so long as they can fill their pockets with tax money.

yah, the basics that I think a person NEEDS is an understanding of simple writeing and reading, being able to talk and understand others, the basics of how math works.

that's all that a person NEEDS in our world and they would still be better off then in most of history.

More or less yep

form there when ever they ask "how does this work" you tell them how it really works.

I estimate that the total of "basic" education should take no more than 4 years.

At worst 6.

Instead it's 12 minimum, which is twice as much as the absolute maximum that I would propose.

totally agree, the only thing that really upsets me about my upbringing was that I had to wait till 16 until I was able to start makeing my own liveing.

16??

I was allowed to work at the age of 14.

For my own money

that's when i could get a car.

other then that i was just stuck at home, would have done well to have been getting out and working for people other then my dad sooner.

Yep, fully agree

Is that US law, or do you live somewhere else?

US law made it so i couldn't drive till then.

Oh you mean because you had to drive to get some proper work?

yup

Damn, that sucks

Over here we're allowed to ride a motorized bike at the age of 14

i'm a bit of a "i will just stay home and enjoy my games" sort of person anyway, so i didn't feel trapped.

but looking back on it i feel like I would have done better if I had more work sooner in life.

Howabout"cheated out of life skills"?

I agree, I'm very happy that I was allowed to work at 14

only life skill that i'm really missing is wakeing up in the morning.

I learned plenty at home, grew up on a small farm.

Man, so you're actually one of the lucky ones

that I am.

could have been better, but could have been so much worse.

We need to do something about public education, it can't go on like this

It's wasting years of childrens' lives

that's a fact for sure.

History can be taught in the span of a few months

No more is required

yah, and i have found some great presenters on youtube with out even looking.