Message from @Benjamin Henry

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2019-12-01 19:28:23 UTC  

The Eu is a big meanie pants

2019-12-01 19:31:58 UTC  

@Brue that, plus the fact that you'd have to take the money from the most productive members of society in order to give it to the least productive

2019-12-01 19:36:05 UTC  

@Benjamin Henry im fine with helping the poor in society, i am not okay with an income tax, a consumption tax would work alot better, and then you can still help the poor with the revenue generated there.

you have to have something created by the government to allow for social mobility of those who do work hard and were just so happen to be born poor

2019-12-01 19:36:26 UTC  

sales tax, no income tax

2019-12-01 19:38:02 UTC  

I agree about the consumption tax, but mobility is already pretty good

2019-12-01 19:38:21 UTC  

yea im not saying improve anything

2019-12-01 19:39:23 UTC  

income tax is immoral

2019-12-01 19:39:54 UTC  

It's also explicitly prohibited in the Constitution, if I remember correctly

2019-12-01 19:40:24 UTC  

not 100% sure on that one, but there was an amendment, which nullifies the prior

2019-12-01 19:40:33 UTC  

so it technically is constitutional now

2019-12-01 19:40:41 UTC  

sadly

2019-12-01 19:41:08 UTC  

16th so sad

2019-12-01 19:46:32 UTC  

Shit, you're right

2019-12-01 19:46:52 UTC  

Oh, well

2019-12-01 19:49:40 UTC  

Anyway, though, I think it would be a lot more helpful for poor people if we 1. Cut social programs en masse, and simultaneously 2. heavily promoted charitable giving

2019-12-01 19:51:26 UTC  

@Benjamin Henry what do you think makes individuals who have money give charity to those in their community

2019-12-01 19:51:48 UTC  

Familiarity

2019-12-01 19:51:59 UTC  

@Benjamin Henry that may be one part of it

2019-12-01 19:52:09 UTC  

there are others

2019-12-01 19:56:47 UTC  

Yeah, there are things. Altruism, vanity, guilt, etc. But motivation isn't the thing I'm most worried about. It's inefficiency

2019-12-01 19:57:27 UTC  

Bureaucracy. The more middlemen, the fewer dollars actually make it to the people who need it

2019-12-01 19:57:57 UTC  

everything is about incentives

2019-12-01 19:58:49 UTC  

I know, for me personally, I'm far more likely to donate to charity if I just know where the money is actually going

2019-12-01 19:58:53 UTC  

i would go to say in the function of chance to give charity, social value would be one of the biggest factors

2019-12-01 19:59:42 UTC  

people want to be acknowledged of their good deeds, if we start to praise those who give, they will give, for there is value in being known as a 'good' person

2019-12-01 19:59:55 UTC  

I agree

2019-12-01 20:00:01 UTC  

the reason charity used to be so more common was that it was actively praised

2019-12-01 20:00:53 UTC  

Exactly, and that was likely before there were so many social programs, so much FORCED charity

2019-12-01 20:01:37 UTC  

And also, there was a motivational stigma to receiving social assistance through the government

2019-12-01 20:01:56 UTC  

bingo, a negative incentive

2019-12-01 20:02:09 UTC  

one that would destory your social value

2019-12-01 20:02:28 UTC  

My parents used food stamps, and it was obvious to anyone else at the supermarket if you had them

2019-12-01 20:02:37 UTC  

They looked like Monopoly money

2019-12-01 20:03:44 UTC  

the country has shifted though, it is now good social value to talk about how the rich are evil and hoarding wealth, that there is justice is taking their wealth and giving it to the less wealthy

2019-12-01 20:04:18 UTC  

one only needs to look at twitter

2019-12-01 20:04:28 UTC  

its a virtue signal circle jerk

2019-12-01 20:05:01 UTC  

Things certainly have changed

2019-12-01 20:06:34 UTC  

It's now the government wards browbeating the productive people into accepting them

2019-12-01 20:08:23 UTC  

i would rather have yangs universal basic income than food stamps, it atleast increases freedom so that the people can choose what they want to spend their money on

2019-12-01 20:08:31 UTC  

ideally neither

2019-12-01 20:08:51 UTC  

but in reality, i dont see welfare or UBI going away without large systematic failure